This is...just too much...

I hope it's true. I find it hilarious. Also, I do not trust the source----LifeSiteNews. Sounds biased, & I often find these folks to be hysterics, if not down-right liars.

I found it funny too. What you have to understand is that this brand of Catholicism - they have the same brand here in the south of Spain - is based around the notion of masochism, self-punishment, self-humiliation and other forms of painful atonement for one's sins. Catholics in these countries show their devoutness and purge their souls by flagellating themselves, climbing rocky mountains on their hands and knees and even having themselves crucified. It's all good fun! The women in this video understand their needs perfectly and are simply helping them out. You'll notice that they don't do anything that would cause them actual or permanent harm. They don't stab them, for example.

Trust me, those guys are loving every minute of their "ordeal".

Deb, I am in agreement with what Zak said here, & he can say it better than me.

1 Corinthians 13
"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing."

Your reply is confusing & complicating, but I am flattered & moved that you prayed & meditated over an "answer" to give me, although I asked no question.

I mentioned Zak speaking for me only in the sense that I don't speak well for myself anymore. Maybe I never did.  It's like torture, actually, to get me to communicate. Are you saying Zak & I don't have love although possessing other gifts? Or, is that what you are saying about the demonstrators? What are you saying?

Quoting passages from the Bible is a cop-out.
People quote from the Bible (or the Qur'an, or the Talmud etc) to justify views that they know would be offensive or unacceptable if they presented them as their own views. And you can find a passage to support just about any viewpoint in religious texts. You can even find passages approving of murder, rape, incest and pedophilia.
Why not just be honest and say what you think?

Oh, hooey. The correct answer to what? No question was asked. We were having an intelligent and rational(ish) discussion about a particular event, and then all of a sudden you're having strange interludes and finding the "answer" in Biblical quotations. Just say what you think and leave out the mystical crap.

inspired by pussy riot no doubt. (the Russian feminist punk rock protest group)

sure these women were vulgar, but no more vulgar than a church which refuses to move into the 21st century on issues of gender and sexuality, the ordination of women, inclusion of LGBT people, birth control, abortion and the role of women in marriages.

teri - Inspired by Pussy Riot maybe; but the Pussy Riot women are fighting against a dictatorship, and they are all highly intelligent and articulate. Their protest wasn't at all vulgar, in my opinion.

@deb - Are you thinking of applying for Sylvia Brown's job, now that she's gone?
I have no problem with psychic/mystical "messages" if they are meaningful/accurate/relevant. The "message" you claim to have been "given" has no relevance at all to the subject we were discussing. Nor does it answer "the question", since no question was raised. When you have to tell the other person to interpret it for themselves, then it's baloney, in my opinion.
You asked me on another thread why I thought Sylvia Brown was a fraud. I'll tell you why: because she never got anything right! She was hopeless. All her predictions were wrong! Even Bob is better at making predictions than she was. And, of course, she was a dab hand at throwing out vague mystical utterances that she herself claimed not to understand, but which other people were free to interpret for themselves.

Dear Zak:

I don't know what to tell you. It is what it is. I asked for an answer to what Joan said (so that was the question) and that's what I got. Interpret the response according to what you saw on the video. I am not as talented as my mother was or my aunt, so I'll pass. Meditate on it and see what you get.

As far as Sylvia Browne -- she ran a business. I don't. I have no intention of doing so either. And your opinion...well, it is an opinion. I think that the interpretation (when you come to it) will be EXACTLY what is needed. That's my opinion.

--Debutante

"I think that the interpretation (when you come to it) will be EXACTLY what is needed."

No, it won't, because no "interpretation" is needed here. I understand perfectly what's going on in the video you posted. I live in the epicentre of medieval pagan-Catholicism.
But you implied in your reply to Joan that the "interpretation" applied to her and me, presumably for disagreeing with your opinion (I can't think of any other reason - can you?). And that's just baloney.
Your "message" is 100% meaningless and irrelevant. If it means something to you, then you should be able to tell us what it means, instead of giving us that "interpret it for yourself" guff.

"there are a MILLION and one things I could think of that I'd rather spend my time doing rather than running around with my boobs floppin all over the place whilst chanting and stopping periodically to spray paint a praying stranger's crotch."

When did you become a Republican?

Dear Zak:

Actually, no. Joan said you said it "for her". So it wasn't me that brought you in on that level. I asked for an answer to give Joan. Since she mentioned you -- I guess spirit took that into consideration.

When I looked up the passage, the version I found was:



13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers , and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

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I just thought it went beyond mathematical odds that the passage spirit chose mentioned prophetic powers. That's all I meant by "including you". After all, you're FACTS resident psychic and Joan designated you as the "speaker".

The answer I asked for was NOT for me. I asked what I should answer Joan. If you feel you "speak for her" as she does, then I guess it's for you by default as well. If you don't feel you "speak for her" then it's a moot point as far as you're concerned.

I think we're disagreeing about the process of revelation. If someone tries to "give" you revelation I don't think it impacts in quite the way it does if you come to it yourself. How would that differ from someone just giving a sermon? That's just "words". Meaning is something a person has to determine themselves. I can't give you the "meaning" of a sunset either.

It is what it is. And I won't add stuff just to satisfy you with an answer you'd consider "complete" because I really don't think you're supposed to add to the message. If spirit wanted to say "more" it would have (or at least that's been my experience thus far).

You think it's baloney and no doubt there are people who think what you do is baloney too. But that's life. I can live with your disbelief.

--Debutante

Dear Zak:

I told you what I thought of the video the first post I made.

I also said that I wanted to give Joan the "right" answer as opposed to any answer. And that's what I got.

As far as track records go -- well, certainly I can't blow up television sets like my mother could (although I never actually tried and she did! LOL). But I have, unfortunately, been right on many occasions when I actually said something to someone.

I stopped telling people things for the following reason:

When I was in my early 20's I was taking a class in Medieval history. I knew a European girl (Hungarian) who was in my class. I was nice to her because I frankly felt sorry for her. She was totally clueless in terms of relating to other people. In short, she was terribly arrogant and didn't realize it. She thought she knew "everything" there was to know about everything. Nobody in the class liked her.

She considered me an idiot. And I thought her assessment was terribly amusing (I have a weird sense of humor).
Anyhow...since I was the only friend she had -- she followed me one day to the student union and decided to eat lunch with me. We were chatting about the future. She mentioned that she didn't feel like paying for her own graduate school (she came from a wealthy family, but was tight with a dollar). Her plan was to go into the army and have them pay for her education. The MOMENT she said this, I had this awful, terrible, sick feeling and I KNEW that if she went into the army something horrible would happen to her. I told her this. She laughed in my face and asked me if I thought I was a gypsy.

Anyhow...I transferred universities and went on with my life. I frankly forgot all about her until the day my mother called me on the phone and told me that a letter had arrived for me (at her house). When I got the letter, it was from this girl. In it, she told me that she had gone into the army. During her basic training, there was a freak accident -- a rope broke and she fell. It wasn't a huge distance that she fell -- but the end result was that she was paralyzed in her right hand. In the letter, she asked me to call her.

I did. And that's when I found out that BECAUSE I "predicted" something awful would happen -- she believed that somehow I also had the power to FIX HER. I spent about six to eight months trying to get her to cope with her disability. It was beyond my ability and I tried to send her to see a therapist. She wouldn't go because she believed that *I* would heal her. Finally, I did the only thing I could do. I got her a listing for a free therapy group in her area -- then I moved and left no forwarding address. I told my mother not to tell her where I'd gone. I knew the only way she'd go to therapy is if I left.

I eventually looked her up on the Internet decades later. She's heading a support group for handicapped individuals. She'd never have achieved that had I not "disappeared" from her life. She's where she's supposed to be.

But what I learned from this experience was -- I DO NOT WISH TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYONE ELSE'S LIFE.

Now if you're okay with it -- I commend you. I can't cope with people who think I am God. I'm just a person. I do what I do and that's all.

So yes...I do have a list of things I'm right about -- but I keep that to myself. God forbid I have another experience where someone expects me to perform a miracle.

--Debutante