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Post by Blarney Rubble on Dec 6, 2013 0:09:56 GMT -5
"Predicting" and "advising" are completely different things. The difference between the two is not merely a semantical one. Doctors, lawyers, accountants, psychiatrists, golf and tennis coaches, public relations experts, marriage guidance counselors and professionals in many other fields are paid for their advice. There is nothing mystical about it. If you had a large lump-sum of money to invest, wouldn't you consult a professional investment advisor for advice?
As for having a monopoly on spirit, I do not deal in spiritual matters at all. That's not my jurisdiction. I do not regard psychic ability as "spiritual" or supernatural, nor have I ever claimed to be "spiritual". I know nothing at all about the "spirit realm", if such a thing exists (which I very much doubt).
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Post by debutante on Dec 6, 2013 0:44:28 GMT -5
Dear Zak:
Seriously? Then you're the ONLY psychic I ever met who doesn't consider psychic ability to have a spiritual connection. Out of curiosity, where do you think it comes from?
I wasn't aware that your "advice" was based on a degree you earned. So you're saying that you have some business acumen that you use to advise? Let's get this clarified. I know you have some dealings with Real Estate. So I can imagine you have clients in that area and I will grant that you have the expertise to do the job. However, exactly what qualifications do you have for investment? I don't mean to pry -- but if you're using psychic ability to "advise" on investments -- we're back to semantics.
Insofar as spirit -- now here's the thing. You don't believe in it because you probably don't have mediumistic abilities. That's not the case with me. I've got more of that than the other.
I wish (truly I do) that I could give you more information to satisfy you that this is what it is. But it's truly not ethical to elaborate on what essentially was just "1 Corinthians 13". End of message, that was all there was to it.
I do know that there are interpretations of those passages on line (if you choose to look at them). Perhaps those will give you some direction. Other than that -- there's nothing else I feel comfortable saying in regard to that. And if I tried, I wouldn't be surprised if spirit gave me a slap upside the head for getting above myself.
--Debutante
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Post by joan on Dec 6, 2013 9:53:29 GMT -5
Deb, on another forum I was linked up to a site called gloria.tv "the more Catholic the better". It was in a thread about Delores Hart. Thought you might enjoy it. en.gloria.tven.gloria.tv/?media=284857
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Post by joan on Dec 6, 2013 10:11:55 GMT -5
I didn't *become* anything....there has never been a time in my life where I would have considered doing anything so asinine and classless. (Well, sober anyway). If that makes me Republican,....I guess. I was thinking just the other day that there are things I wouldn't do now that I would have done "back then." I was wondering if I had changed. Yes, of course I've changed, I've gotten a lot older & lots of stuff has been crammed into my life during the years. However, (I realized with a great sense of relief) I can still support those who have that energy, that passion & urgency needed for change. I wouldn't be one of those women Now but I can applaud what they feel they need to do to shape Their World. It's their time & although I have changed I won't be standing in their way.
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Post by Blarney Rubble on Dec 6, 2013 16:44:21 GMT -5
@deb - How did this get from a video of pro-abortion feminists to my work? And where did I say or imply that my advice was based on a degree I earned?
I do have a degree, of course, and a Masters (MA) - I studied English and Psychology, as you may know - but my advice is based solely on my "intuitive" skills, not on my academic qualifications (which wouldn't cover the areas I would typically deal with). I did work as a psychotherapist for several years, which I found tedious, restrictive, and very draining.
As for giving property and investment advice, I don't do that either. I own a real estate agency. I don't involve myself in the day-to-day running of it. I use property lawyers to deal with the actual conveyance side of things. Of course I have picked up a certain amount of knowledge about the business over the years, but I wouldn't regard myself as an expert by any means.
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Post by debutante on Dec 6, 2013 17:12:34 GMT -5
Dear Joan:
Thanks for the link. I'll watch it tomorrow. I'm home alone with Jim today (they're at the opera) -- so I need to focus on him.
--Debutante
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Post by debutante on Dec 6, 2013 17:36:23 GMT -5
Dear Zak:
I don't mean to give you a hard time. It's just that using "intuitive" processes to arrive at "advice" -- still means utilizing psychic ability. The only difference is that you're very aware where you're getting your information. A man I almost married also runs his business interests "intuitively" ---but he resists the idea that he's psychic (even though more than enough experiences should have broken down his denial by this time). So I don't have a problem with you using your gifts in that manner. But it's still using a psychic process.
What I get I either get by prayer, by meditation, by feeling -- and sometimes if it's important enough they send someone (in the sense that I'll run into someone who just happens to introduce the topic I'm considering and gives me a new "take" on it). I should mention here that a few times I've wondered if these strangers were actually "people" (or angels in disguise). One in particular that approached me on a bus to speak about a very outlandish action (for me at any rate) I was considering because someone had made me angry. Her parting remark was so peculiar that I am 100% convinced she was not a real person.
I submit that mystical things happen every day but most people don't recognize them for what they are -- a slight delay in schedule that prevents a particular person from being in the wrong place at the wrong time is a prime example. Whether one believes in fate or the hand of God -- things do "work out". Perhaps not always in the way we would wish -- but in the way that they are supposed to.
When God (and I'm talking about my God here) writes the story of your life -- like any writer he adds twists and turns, drama and comedy. The plot may not be particularly pleasing to the characters but I don't believe God owes anyone an explanation any more than I owe one of my characters in my stories. That is, I think, the hardest part for people to accept when considering if they believe in God. The utter knowledge that any control you think you have is an illusion.
I don't know how or why you've pigeonholed psychic gifts into something divorced from spirituality, but I'd like to hear the story. To me, it would be near impossible to view such things as being from any source other than God in His function of Holy Spirit.
--Debutante
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Post by Blarney Rubble on Dec 6, 2013 20:11:58 GMT -5
All that religious/spiritual stuff only exists in your mind. It doesn't exist in my mind, I'm pleased to say. I don't believe in deities, ghosts (holy or otherwise), angels, spirit guides, tooth fairies, Father Christmas or other fictional entities. I understand that some people need imaginary friends, but I find that I can get along just fine without them.
"When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me." 1 Corinthians 13:11
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Post by debutante on Dec 6, 2013 21:05:45 GMT -5
Dear Zak: But it is your "choice". Just because you made a choice doesn't make it any more valid than my choice. I, however, rest in the knowledge that people may abandon God -- but God will never abandon them. You still haven't clarified where you think psychic abilities come from -- I await your explanation. --Debutante
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Post by debutante on Dec 6, 2013 21:15:59 GMT -5
Dear Joan:
When they returned home, I watched the video link. It was very interesting although I wished the good sister had done more to set her ex-fiancé free. On some level, I believe that continued contact (so near and yet so far) isn't emotionally healthy for him. I don't believe anyone should remain a "torchbearer" for life.
Perhaps on some level, she thought she was being kind. I think it would have been kinder to refuse to see him so he could move on in his life. He didn't seem unhappy -- but really, in a documentary such as that what could he say? It's one thing to give up family life for a calling, another to embrace it through default by wishing for the unattainable. That part of the video truly saddened me.
Other than that -- the video was so familiar as only such things could be to someone raised Catholic. I find people with a genuine calling fascinating. As religious as I may be, I never once considered a contemplative life (at least not in a community sense). To me, a God who is everywhere hardly needs me to isolate myself in order to speak to Him. But that's just me.
I was happy to see their love of animals. Somehow it made what I would consider a drab existence a bit brighter for them. I particularly enjoyed the sister with the llama.
--Debutante
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Post by Blarney Rubble on Dec 6, 2013 21:30:19 GMT -5
"I, however, rest in the knowledge that people may abandon God -- but God will never abandon them."
If God has nothing better to do that follow me around, he's more than welcome. He might even learn a few things : )
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Post by debutante on Dec 6, 2013 22:13:42 GMT -5
"I, however, rest in the knowledge that people may abandon God -- but God will never abandon them." If God has nothing better to do that follow me around, he's more than welcome. He might even learn a few things : ) Dear Zak: Nah -- God already knows everything there is to know about you. The reason God doesn't abandon anyone is a reason like this: Isn't love wonderful??? <3 !!!! You see, being eternal has its advantages! God can afford to be patient for as long as it takes! LOL!!! Still waiting to hear where you think psychic abilities come from ---- --Debutante
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Post by joan on Dec 7, 2013 9:46:01 GMT -5
No wonder I loved the Beatles from the first time I heard them. Haven't thought of or heard that song in years. Thanks deb. Tell me what you think of that site as a whole, not just the Delores Hart link.
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Post by debutante on Dec 7, 2013 12:20:38 GMT -5
Dear Joan: There's a lot of stuff on that site -- so I didn't read all of it. To me, it's the same old, same old. The site is obviously run by Pre-Vatican II Catholics (meaning those who actually studied the doctrine and understand it). Most Post Vatican II Catholics are confused about the finer points of the religion which, is why certain sectors want changes that are simply not possible given ex cathedra doctrine. (Or as Post Vatican II Catholics would say, "What's that? ") A lot of the articles dealt with Pope Francis and his viewpoints (which, I truthfully do not know for certain). The problem with the secular press is that it tends to pounce on certain comments and I'm not going to say they distort them, but rather that they put undue emphasis on what appears to me to be an attempt at reconciliation. The question becomes, I suppose, do you want a larger more inclusive church consisting of a lot of confused people, or a smaller one consisting of people who actually understand doctrine? Maybe he feels by getting the confused back in the door, they might learn something. Who knows? Francis is a kind man it seems, though not a great public speaker as far as I can tell. I agree with certain things -- God knows the Catholic church has always irritated the hell out of me in terms of its money-grubbing. So I am impressed by his lack of interest in the trappings of wealth that's one of the perks of being pope. In so far as the same old, same old -- I know (as does Francis) that there is a limit to what he can actually do. Once something is an ex cathedra doctrine -- that's it, period. He can't change the unchangeable. So what he seems to be doing is spreading heart balm (in an effort to calm everyone down?) -- who knows what his motive is -- and frankly, that kind of thing never interested me. There are different kinds of Catholics (all are valid). There are those who are interested in the concept of the church as "community". The church actually prefers these (at least that's the impression I've always had). The second group prefers to explore a personal relationship with God. These Catholics tend to be so wrapped up in God that they don't have the time or inclination to get involved with anything that doesn't directly relate to their communion with God. So although we might have an "opinion" on the topics that the community based Catholics place at the top of their list -- we don't get involved. It's not our "bag" so to speak. The church has a little less control of the personal relationship with God people because we don't buy into political issues. Plus they never quite know what to do when they exhibit the gifts of the Holy Spirit -- scares them I think. So generally speaking, if you "entertain angels" -- they leave you alone. Anyhow...the site also has "tidbits" that read like a Sunday flyer -- little odds and ends of Catholic life that truthfully interested me more than the same old, same old. I liked for example that the pope gave 200 Euro to some old lady whose purse was stolen with 54 Euro in it. But again, that's my kind of thing. I leave the same old, same old for the community based people -- that's their "bag". --Debutante
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2013 2:41:04 GMT -5
I'm not Catholic but Saint Thérèse of Lisieux has been in my life actuallly only forturiously for the last at least 15 years very seriously. It just happened that way. And by the way I have read Mother Dolores Hart's autobiography and there is much there in my opinion that steered her life in the direction it has gone. Don has dated women since Dolores decided on a religious vocation. It is not her fault that he never married. I don't believe that a person has no choice in their lives because of what another person does. I believe in free will which at the same time that some things are just fated; as in some folks just belong together but maybe not in the current lifetime.
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Post by tricia on Dec 9, 2013 22:32:46 GMT -5
" I believe in free will which at the same time that some things are just fated; as in some folks just belong together but maybe not in the current lifetime." I believe that too, Lily.
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