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Post by Roger (over and out) on Feb 23, 2014 7:37:45 GMT -5
One for Bob : )
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Post by rmarks1 on Feb 23, 2014 14:13:01 GMT -5
Zak, receiving welfare means you get money from the government. The government gets that money from other people, the people who pay taxes. The woman who did this video claims she is on "welfare" because she gets to deduct her mortgage interest from her income tax. But that cannot be welfare. If the government is taking money from you, and they say "We're going to give you a break and take less of your money", that isn't welfare. You are still paying taxes. Taking less does not qualify as a welfare payment.
Bob
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Post by raybar on Feb 23, 2014 15:20:19 GMT -5
Many words, including the word welfare, can be used in more then one way.
-- personal welfare, as in being on a program actually called welfare
-- corporate welfare, as in receiving subsidies
-- corporate welfare, as in government giving food stamps to your underpaid employee
-- mortgage welfare, as a deduction to your income tax
-- etc
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Post by Roger (over and out) on Feb 23, 2014 17:35:58 GMT -5
Don't shoot the messenger, Bob ; )
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Post by rmarks1 on Feb 23, 2014 19:27:30 GMT -5
Many words, including the word welfare, can be used in more then one way. -- personal welfare, as in being on a program actually called welfare Yes, that's welfare. That's stealing. How is that not personal welfare? Once again Ray, taxing someone a little less, taking less of their own money from them, is not "welfare." If someone robs you at gunpoint and you plead that you need a little money to get home, and they give it to you, that's not welfare. That is just getting robbed a little less. Bob |
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Post by raybar on Feb 23, 2014 20:57:31 GMT -5
Bob, you are arguing the definition of a word rather than addressing the point of the video. If you want to restrict the use of the word "welfare" to certain cases, fine. But then why don't you propose a term to be used in the wider sense?
The examples I gave above are all essentially the same. Someone gets money from the government in some form.
The actual welfare recipient gets cash or a check or a debit card or food stamps.
A corporation gets subsidies one form or another - a payment or a reduction in fees or taxes for example.
The home owner gets a refund on his interest payments in the form of a tax deduction.
The low-wage employer gets a subsidy to his payroll department when the government gives food stamps to his underpaid employees.
There is no meaningful difference between any of these examples. They are all "on the dole" in one form or another, and the funding all comes from the same source -- you and me and everyone else who pays taxes.
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Post by rmarks1 on Feb 23, 2014 21:22:53 GMT -5
Bob, you are arguing the definition of a word rather than addressing the point of the video. If you want to restrict the use of the word "welfare" to certain cases, fine. But then why don't you propose a term to be used in the wider sense? The examples I gave above are all essentially the same. Someone gets money from the government in some form. The actual welfare recipient gets cash or a check or a debit card or food stamps. A corporation gets subsidies one form or another - a payment or a reduction in fees or taxes for example. The home owner gets a refund on his interest payments in the form of a tax deduction. The low-wage employer gets a subsidy to his payroll department when the government gives food stamps to his underpaid employees. There is no meaningful difference between any of these examples. They are all "on the dole" in one form or another, and the funding all comes from the same source -- you and me and everyone else who pays taxes. Ray, words affect the conclusions we reach and our actions. Example: a boy accidentally hits a baseball through a neighbor's window. The father tells the neighbor "Boys will be boys." The neighbor says "Boy? That's a young hoodlum." See what's going on here? The father wants the neighbor to go easy, so he refers to his son as a boy. The neighbor wants the kid punished, so he calls him a hoodlum. "Welfare" has all sorts of negative connotations, so the woman who made that video wants to broaden the definition. She's trying to get her way by changing the definition. But the fact is the government is giving money in one case and merely taking less in another. The person who takes a mortgage deduction is still paying taxes and not taking money. We see these word games a lot from politicians. If the deficit is a trillion dollars and they lower it to $900 billion, they talk about how they have REDUCED the deficit. But it's crap. We are still $900 billion in the hole. The best way to handle this is to always ask what is really going on. And what is really going on here is she is trying to convince people that someone who is taking money is exactly the same as someone who gives less. Next she will try to sell us a bridge. Bob |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 22:31:56 GMT -5
No, Bob. We see these word games from you. All the time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 20:46:30 GMT -5
No, Bob. We see these word games from you. All the time. Case in point: It is slavery for the people who work and then have their money forcibly taken in order to provide these benefits. As for prisoners, they are convicted criminals, not slaves. Bob |
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Post by rmarks1 on Feb 24, 2014 21:42:54 GMT -5
No, Bob. We see these word games from you. All the time. Case in point: It is slavery for the people who work and then have their money forcibly taken in order to provide these benefits. As for prisoners, they are convicted criminals, not slaves. Bob |
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