What fake news won't tell you...

Didn't we establish that it is not a personal attack if we insinuate that a person who adheres to certain beliefs would be a rapist if they followed those beliefs conclusively?

Or were you argueing in that post that only I am allowed to be attacked in such a way?


You do know that your president has been accused of rape multiple times already, do you? If you support him, like Debbie does, then that implies a certain comfort with alleged rapists.

For good measure:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3914012/Troubled-woman-history-drug-use-claimed-assaulted-Donald-Trump-Jeffrey-Epstein-sex-party-age-13-FABRICATED-story.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus

Wow. This article has so many errors and outright lies that calling it "fake news" would be an insult to fake news. Wild and dangerous claims, without any actual evidence. But it might make a good mini-series on Netflix. 8->

One example - the Steele Dossier. It was NOT commissioned by H. Clinton like the article says. It was opposition research for dirt on Trump commissioned by The Washington Free Beacon, which is a conservative newspaper. They hired a company called Fusion GPS to do the research. This was before Trump had secured the nomination and the Beacon wanted one of the other Republicans to win, so they started collecting all the dirt they could find on Trump to maybe stop him. But after Trump won the nomination, the Beacon dropped out because they didn't need the dossier any more.

So the dossier was begun by conservative Republicans, not any Dems at all. Then the Dems heard about it and stepped in and hired Fusion GPS to pull up the old stuff and continue the search. Nothing at all to do with Clinton.

Opposition research is mostly collecting all the rumors and gossip someone can find. No one expects it to be true, but what they hope is that some piece or other will lead to some dirt that is both real and can be proved. Like Trump himself says, not illegal and something that pretty much all politicians do.

The basic point about the dossier is that there was nothing illegal about it at all. Nada. And the claim that it was used to get warrants and such to spy on Trump is also untrue. Again, everyone knows that opposition research is full of rumors and gossip, so it has zero value as a legal document. No judge could issue warrants based on crap like that. The warrants came because of evidence that some Trump people were dealing with Russians and those people were bugged to see what they were up to. Based on evidence, not opposition rumors.

Anyway, claiming that Clinton started the Steele Dossier is just one of the many falsehoods in this article. Fake news comes from both extremes, left and right. Like they used to say on the X-Files, trust no one. Except me, of course. 8->

Again, it's irrelevant whether anybody is pronounced guilty, what matters is objective truth. We have established that courts do not determine objective truth, so whether the courts call him guilty or innocent is irrelevant to the question whether he is in fact a rapist.



Red Herring.

This argument is about Christianity and Donald Trump, not "Postmodernism".

Deb wrote:
>I think you need to read something other than Fake News.

---I read and watch stuff from all sources. Like I often say, the stuff on the extremes, both left and right, is not trustworthy. The far right in the US makes up fake stuff all the time. Even Fox News, which is closer to the middle, sometimes runs fake stories, spins stories to favor Trump, or ignores stories that might hurt Trump or the Republicans. If it weren't so dangerous for the nation, I'd find it funny that the right wing exposes false stuff from the left wing while accepting equally clear false right-wing stuff as true without any supporting evidennce. I think you might need to read something other than right-wing Fake News now and then. Maybe figure out where the middle is. 8->

Deb-
If you don’t watch the mainstream news, how can you know what they cover and what they don’t? 8->

Most important stuff is covered by all networks, but the presentation is different. For example, if a right-wing loon makes a wild claim, Fox might report it as a proven fact while MSNBC might report it as a wild claim by such-and-such that has no evidence to back it. Reverse the process if a left-wing loon makes the claim. A network or another might skip a subject entirely, sometimes for political reasons and sometimes because they don’t think it’s a real story.

A good example – the China tariffs. Trump has said many times that China is paying the tariffs and that’s the way Fox presents them. But the truth is that the companies who import things from China to the US pay the tariffs and then pass the extra cost on to the rest of us. In other words, despite what Trump says over and over, we the citizens are paying for the tariffs. China hasn’t paid a single penny. But you won't see that on Fox, at least most of the time.

And like the tariffs, Trump keeps saying that the Russia investigation was a hoax. It wasn't. 17 different US intelligence agencies found evidence that Russia was messing with our 2016 elections. Several Trump people were caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Trump says that he believes Putin over our own people, because it's better for Trump to deny that there was any truth to the claims. So he ignores reality and lies. There’s no evidence that Trump himself was involved in any of the many illegal activities of his family and staff, but he did obstruct justice and try to hide their guilt. Not likely to be impeached, but there is a realistic chance that he will be prosecuted after he’s out of office and may face some prison time. The evidence is there. Read the report, not the right-wing interpretation of the report.

> At any rate, I have my personal ax to grind with the Democratic party that goes back decades.
---You can’t blame the entire party for what one bunch of idiots did. Not everyone in either party is the same as all the others in that party. As a teen, I was once held down by physical force at a holy-roller revival to “convert” me to their church. It was a traveling preacher, and everyone else had their heads bowed to pray, so they didn’t see him grab me and force me to the floor, then yell, “Halleluiah! Another soul for God!”. I managed to crawl out the door while the others were having spasms and talking in tongues. I thought the locals were fools for believing in this guy, but they didn’t see what he did to me, so I didn’t blame them for his criminal act.

---There are good people and bad people in every party. How many Republicans have been caught getting having affairs, getting abortions for their mistresses, stealing money from their church, threatening to kill those with different beliefs, etc.? Quite a few, actually. Not because they’re Republicans, but because that’s just the kind of people they are. Some in both parties.

---I'm an Independent. Both parties are mostly concerned about money and most politicians are willing to do whatever it takes to win. Did it bother you that Trump said that the other day, that he would do whatever it took to win in 2020? If it bothers you that there are Dem like that, why doesn't it bother you that Trump says he is like that? 8->

Hi Fred:

Quick article on tariffs. Rest later.

thehill.com/opinion/finance/429643-the-verdict-is-in-trumps-tariffs-are-working-bigly


--Debutante

Yes, we have... or rather, you, Bob Marks, have established that:











And Christianity condones child rape.

Deb-

The question isn't whether tariffs are working or even that yes, we do need to do something about China stealing our intellectual property and such, but whether Trump continues to lie about who is paying the tariffs. Yes, China may lower its prices, but that's not paying a tariff. Yes, US companies may choose to absorb the increase costs of tariffs rather than pass those cost on to consumers, but that's not the same thing as China paying tariffs.

Trump has said several times that China is paying billions of dollars to the U.S. Treasury due to tariffs. China has not paid a single penny to the US Treasury. If the tariffs are so good (and they may be), why does he continue to lie about them? In other words, it makes Trump look like he lies even when doesn't need to. And it makes it seem that his followers are too ignorant to notice when he's lying. 8-<