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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 19:20:12 GMT -5
I do realize that the folks here on FACTS are way too intellectual and sophisticated to have anything to do with the Jodi Arias trial. Monday will probably be the day that the verdict of either life in prison or the death penalty will be decided.
But actually, what I really what an opinion on is do you think that a personality disorder, such as borderline personality disorder should be a mitigating factor in sentencing for someone like Arias who butchered (and I mean that literlally butchered) her ex-boyfriend because she has been declared by one of the psychologists as having borderline personality disorder (BPD)? Are these people responsible for their actions? One explanation is as a child these people have been invalidated by their parents and therefore have no core of a self, and some I guess cite brain disorders. What do any of you think about this?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 20:19:10 GMT -5
In case no one is interested in relying to my previous post above, you might still be interested in the following blog. My interest in the Arias case, is not so much as to it's a murder case, but in the psycology of the defendant and how a person can lie so easily and have no feelings about other people except as objects in their narcisstic world. kristinarandle.com/blog/
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2013 1:02:01 GMT -5
It's really hard for me to think about it, but if one knows right from wrong, which anyone should, then they should get death. But how about one who knows right from wrong, but feels they were wronged and they themselves are the only one that counts, because of how they were raised or because of a weird brain, then I say life without parole in prison. I know the family of Travis wants her death so that she would stop talking stink about their brother. And she won't, even with the death penaliy. Only death in a little cell with nothing do to will stop her. But if she really is demented unbeknownst to her, I say life without parole. If that's what the the jury decides, only the judge can decide, life with or without parole. I say since they decided cruelty, then only life without parole should be it. If this makes no sense to you, it's because it doesn't to me either.
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Post by joan on May 20, 2013 9:52:03 GMT -5
I'm not a supporter of the death penalty for most murders. I don't believe her being borderline, if she in fact is, to be a mitigating factor however. While her mind might jump to murder as a solution & might not for others who can let go, still she committed the actual act. Like you say, she butchered him. A more sane killer may not have had all that passion, might have found just the gun sufficient & less messy. I'm not really sure what 'borderline' actually means, but to me it is not mitigating as she functioned in society & is able to plan things out. I do have interest in the trial, thanks for bringing it up.
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Post by faskew on May 20, 2013 12:49:10 GMT -5
There are many facets to the way our brains work. Many horrible crimes are committed by "normal" folk who happen to believe that what they did was acceptable behavior. There's nothing that a mentally ill person can do that a "normal" person wouldn't do if conditions were right. Yes, there are people who don't feel empathy or don't have a conscience or whatever. But not all of them commit murder. And there are people who feel empathy and have a conscience, but commit murder anyway.
We all have the same potential to do bad things, but most of use are not put in a situation where we have to seriously choose.
The question for me is a legal one. If a person has a mental illness that causes them to do harm and there is no possible cure or treatment, what do you do with them? Life in prison with no parole? That's pretty cruel. And rough on the other prisoners. Maybe better to just kill them and put them out of their misery? Don't know.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2013 13:25:13 GMT -5
Well, the psycho bitch got the court delayed until tomorrow. God only knows what excuse they'll have then. They could have had sealed testimony for the mitigation witnesses, but that wouldn't have allowed a delay. Anyway, only a note. I'll be back to respond more to Joan and Fred. Fred, I had you totally in mind when I wrote that post. And thanks to Joan. I'll be back.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2013 19:30:44 GMT -5
Okay, I've just about had it. The defense ia claiming that Arias didn't get a fair trial. Let her walk and then let his/son/daughter be involved with her if they're so sure she is so innocent. I'm sick of it. No more HLN until the final verdict is in.
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Post by faskew on May 21, 2013 6:48:46 GMT -5
I don't know the exact numbers, but I think that at least 100 people in the US are murdered every day. Yeah, this one gets all the TV time, but I'm sure that there are other murders out there that won't raise your blood pressure. Or you could stick to watching shows like "Snapped", where the thing is over and you don't have to wait for the ending.
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Post by raybar on May 21, 2013 9:00:03 GMT -5
Well, as usual, there (maybe) will be a movie. A project named "Jodi Arias" is renting costumes from us.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 16:06:53 GMT -5
I'm still finding my way around this message board. Anyway, inspite of what I said, I am still watching the trial. Right now the attorneys are giving their closing statements as should she get life or death. I've decided that I would give her life without parole. The death penalty, where there is one, to me should be for the worst of the worst...like serial killers, mass murderers, and multiple murders with torture. I'm predicting that the jury will find for life in prison. She should never have the chance for release.
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Post by raybar on May 21, 2013 19:31:33 GMT -5
I generally oppose capital punishment, but mostly for practical reasons.
- "Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" is not the same as "guilty beyond any doubt whatever, and there have bee a couple hundred death row inmates exonerated and released over the last couple of decades. An innocent man was has been incarcerated, can be released if it is learned that he is innocent. But execution can not be undone.
- Due to the almost endless appeals process undertaken by condemned prisoners, it is usually far more costly to execute someone than to house him for life. That's my tax dollars - any everyone's - being wasted.
- If guilty were certain, and it was a particularly heinous crime, and the execution could be carried out fairly promptly, then perhaps I could support it. But it would depend on the particulars of the case.
But the idea of eliminating capital punishment altogether is appealing. Should the state do something that is forbidden to citizens? Is there really any difference between murder and execution?
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Post by joan on May 22, 2013 8:23:39 GMT -5
I'm still finding my way around this message board. Anyway, inspite of what I said, I am still watching the trial. Right now the attorneys are giving their closing statements as should she get life or death. I've decided that I would give her life without parole. The death penalty, where there is one, to me should be for the worst of the worst...like serial killers, mass murderers, and multiple murders with torture. I'm predicting that the jury will find for life in prison. She should never have the chance for release. What I heard said in court was that in Arizona there is no 'life w/out parole', but that every life sentence allows for eligibility for parole after 25 years. For Jodi, this would be 20 years, as she has served before trial 5 years. It was also stated in court yesterday that parole for a life sentence is rarely granted.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 17:38:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2013 19:13:55 GMT -5
What Jodi Arias can expect with life in prison at Arizona's Perryville Prison.
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