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Post by Gifthorse on May 9, 2014 18:59:59 GMT -5
So, how can someone believe in astral projection, but not believe in a spirit? What exactly is projecting if there is no brain attached to the mind? That seems like a problematic belief-system combo.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 19:17:36 GMT -5
Okay, this is totally off the top of my head from what I'm remembering about what I have read about this topic. From what I remember, the part that does the astral projection is the astral body, and that is not the spirit. And also, consciousness does not depend on a physcial brain. Neither does mind. Mind, brain and consciousness are not the spirit. It's confusing because the word spirit is often interchanged with the word ghost, which isn't correct. What I've read is that ghosts are not really the person who has passed, but an echo of them, just like people leave an impression on places they have lived in. It's also explained that it's more likely for ghosts to happen when a person has died from violence or suddenly, and they are confused.
Now I'm just writing what I have read or heard. I don't necessarily believe this or necessarily don't. It's fine with me for anyone to criticize or question what I have writen above. I don't know if what I said answers the question you've posed, Dawn. Maybe not.
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Post by Gifthorse on May 10, 2014 0:32:55 GMT -5
Hmm...you may be right, Lily. I'm not an expert on these sorts of things.
Hey, Zak do you astral project? I seem to recall you mentioned you can find missing people/things that are far removed from your physical proximity. But aren't you also an atheist? So...no spirit involved. I just wonder how this is supposed to work without spirituality. For some reason I've always paired psychic abilities and belief in god, spirit, etc. But apparently that is not always the case.
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Post by raybar on May 10, 2014 9:25:57 GMT -5
Just change "astral body" to "consciousness" and project away. Or call it "remote viewing" instead of "astral projection." Or, perhaps, call it nonsense.
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Post by joan on May 10, 2014 15:39:44 GMT -5
I never thought a deity to be a necessary factor if there are such things as the various phenomena we discuss.
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Post by debutante on May 10, 2014 15:47:37 GMT -5
I never thought a deity to be a necessary factor if there are such things as the various phenomena we discuss. Dear Joan: In my experience -- you're correct. I don't recommend it. (I'm referring to astral projection). --Debutante |
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Post by Gifthorse on May 11, 2014 2:24:56 GMT -5
Just change "astral body" to "consciousness" and project away. Or call it "remote viewing" instead of "astral projection." Or, perhaps, call it nonsense. Well yeah. I was just trying to explore what seems to be dissonance with the belief-system. If ones is an atheist how can they also believe in something that would seem to require a 'spirit'? |
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Post by raybar on May 11, 2014 8:47:34 GMT -5
Well yeah. I was just trying to explore what seems to be dissonance with the belief-system. If ones is an atheist how can they also believe in something that would seem to require a 'spirit'? If we atheists are correct and there exists nothing that could be called god, does that preclude the existence of beings composed purely of energy, having no material components whatever? Although there are lots of them in science fiction, we don't see anything like that in the real world. |
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