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Post by Roger (over and out) on Apr 16, 2014 15:03:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 15:15:05 GMT -5
If this ability is real, it both disturbs me and relieves me. Disturbs in that if the future is predetermined, then we can't praise anybody or condemn anybody for anything they do. On the other hand, a relief that we have no blame in bad things happening. Just live and don't worry because worriying does nothing. Which actually is not such a good thing.
I did have a precogniitive dream once not that long ago where I dreamt that my right hand was really swollen up. A day or two later, my dog grabbed hold of my finger and hung on it with his teeth (he was blind and got startled). The next morning my right hand started to puff up badly. and I had to go to the doctor to treat it. It could have caused blood poisoning it it got up past my wrist, which it almost did. I don't see anything could have caused me to dream this, because I'd never been bitten by the dog (or any dog) before that.
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Post by rmarks1 on Apr 16, 2014 16:53:20 GMT -5
If this ability is real, it both disturbs me and relieves me. Disturbs in that if the future is predetermined, then we can't praise anybody or condemn anybody for anything they do. On the other hand, a relief that we have no blame in bad things happening. Just live and don't worry because worriying does nothing. Which actually is not such a good thing. I did have a precogniitive dream once not that long ago where I dreamt that my right hand was really swollen up. A day or two later, my dog grabbed hold of my finger and hung on it with his teeth (he was blind and got startled). The next morning my right hand started to puff up badly. and I had to go to the doctor to treat it. It could have caused blood poisoning it it got up past my wrist, which it almost did. I don't see anything could have caused me to dream this, because I'd never been bitten by the dog (or any dog) before that. I've had precognitive dreams too, Lily. But that doesn't mean the future is predetermined. I seem to remember hearing about people who had precognitive dreams about accidents and they were able to avoid the accidents. It was a while back so I don't recall all the details. Bob |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 17:04:20 GMT -5
Well, if it didn't happen then it wasn't a precognition. It's only a precognition when the thing happens.
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Post by rmarks1 on Apr 16, 2014 18:11:09 GMT -5
Well, if it didn't happen then it wasn't a precognition. It's only a precognition when the thing happens. The accident did happen. They just avoided it. Bob |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 18:31:01 GMT -5
Well, if it didn't happen then it wasn't a precognition. It's only a precognition when the thing happens. The accident did happen. They just avoided it. Bob They dreamed an accident would happen on a certain street at a certain day and time, so they took a different route? And they read about it in a newspaper or saw it on the TV news later? I don't understand. Or they jumped out of the way of the cars (was it cars?) and so avoided being hurt? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 18:45:56 GMT -5
Oh, maybe you mean that they dreamed something like that there was going to be an accident on the bus they took to work in the morning, so they didn't take the bus? And then the bus had an accident? Maybe that's what you mean. That I would agree would be precognitive. But I don't see how that isn't predestination.
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Post by rmarks1 on Apr 16, 2014 21:54:10 GMT -5
Oh, maybe you mean that they dreamed something like that there was going to be an accident on the bus they took to work in the morning, so they didn't take the bus? And then the bus had an accident? Maybe that's what you mean. That I would agree would be precognitive. But I don't see how that isn't predestination. The accident was predestined, but not their being part of it. Bob |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 9:49:27 GMT -5
So a metastudy (i.e. an interpretative work), co-authored by the exact same guy who conducted the original experiment, just so happens to find conclusive proof that his experiments were correct all along. I think I could have predicted that particular outcome without any innate power of precognition.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 16:18:27 GMT -5
Oh, maybe you mean that they dreamed something like that there was going to be an accident on the bus they took to work in the morning, so they didn't take the bus? And then the bus had an accident? Maybe that's what you mean. That I would agree would be precognitive. But I don't see how that isn't predestination. The accident was predestined, but not their being part of it. Bob Bob, that makes no sense. An "accident" is not an object that exists separately from its parts. Either all parts come together in a particular configuration, and you have an accident, or they don't, then you don't have an accident. What you seem to be claiming here is that the effect (accident) comes metaphysically before the cause (the elements causing the accident). |
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Post by rmarks1 on Apr 21, 2014 21:14:40 GMT -5
The accident was predestined, but not their being part of it. Bob Bob, that makes no sense. An "accident" is not an object that exists separately from its parts. Either all parts come together in a particular configuration, and you have an accident, or they don't, then you don't have an accident. What you seem to be claiming here is that the effect (accident) comes metaphysically before the cause (the elements causing the accident). No. The accident did happen. They just weren't part of it. I have a friend who had a ticket on flight number 11 for 9/11/2001. She changed it to 9/12 a few days before the event. 9/11 happened. She wasn't part of it. Bob |
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