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Post by bob on Mar 3, 2013 17:12:29 GMT -5
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Post by raybar on Mar 3, 2013 17:51:09 GMT -5
How can we know from this news report what the woman's condition was, or what the appropriate treatment would have been?
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Post by pat on Mar 3, 2013 21:29:53 GMT -5
The report I read said nothing of her condition.....can't imagine not trying to help.
Did she have a non-resuscitate order in place that she or family requested?
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Post by bob on Mar 4, 2013 10:36:56 GMT -5
How can we know from this news report what the woman's condition was, or what the appropriate treatment would have been? Was "nothing" the best treatment? This much is clear from the news report. The nursing home employee didn't refuse treatment because the 911 operator's instructions were inappropriate. She refused treatment because it was the nursing home's policy to do nothing until the paramedics arrived. Bob |
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Post by raybar on Mar 5, 2013 9:56:10 GMT -5
Speculate a little, Bob. Hazard a guess. Why would they have such a policy?
And bear in mind that this was an "independent living community", not an "assisted living" or "skilled nursing" facility.
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Post by jem on Mar 5, 2013 10:08:45 GMT -5
What if they did do something, and they happened to break some ribs and she died.
Boy, could they have been sued!
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Post by bob on Mar 6, 2013 14:22:51 GMT -5
Speculate a little, Bob. Hazard a guess. Why would they have such a policy? Maybe because they are unfeeling idiots? And bear in mind that this was an "independent living community", not an "assisted living" or "skilled nursing" facility. What if this were someone on the street calling 911 and they also refused to follow the instructions of the 911 operator? What would you say then? What if it were someone you loved that collapsed? Would you also say that a person who refuses to assist did the right thing? Bob |
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Post by bob on Mar 6, 2013 14:24:22 GMT -5
What if they did do something, and they happened to break some ribs and she died. Boy, could they have been sued! Many states have good Samaritan laws that prevent such lawsuits. And as far as being sued, boy can you bet her survivors are going to sue now! Bob |
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Post by joan on Mar 6, 2013 18:54:01 GMT -5
I don't think they will sue. I read where that is what she wanted for herself & the relatives seem secure in that. Unless you have an update?
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Post by bob on Mar 6, 2013 20:29:10 GMT -5
I don't think they will sue. I read where that is what she wanted for herself & the relatives seem secure in that. Unless you have an update? Suing isn't the main point here. That nurse let this poor woman die because of company policy. Would you have done that? I don't think so. Bob Marks |
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Post by joan on Mar 6, 2013 21:13:14 GMT -5
I'm not the one who said: "And as far as being sued, boy can you bet her survivors are going to sue now!"
YOU did.
Wow, I'm starting to worry about you.
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Post by bob on Mar 6, 2013 22:26:33 GMT -5
I'm not the one who said: "And as far as being sued, boy can you bet her survivors are going to sue now!" YOU did. Wow, I'm starting to worry about you. Yes, I said that in response to Jem. But that still isn't the main point of the thread. What about it Joan. Would you have told the 911 operator you couldn't get involved because of company policy? Bob |
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Post by pat on Mar 7, 2013 9:51:33 GMT -5
Shitty company policy if you ask me....and maybe something we should check when considering a living facility for relatives or ourselves, should the need arise.
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Post by joan on Mar 7, 2013 10:25:42 GMT -5
I don't know what I'd do Bob, as I was never in this type of situation. I hope I would get involved & help the person.
Pat, you are right. Before entering into such a facility, their policies should be known. In fact, I'd say the person shouldn't be admitted into this type of living unless all policies are carefully explained to all, including close relatives.
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Post by bob on Mar 7, 2013 10:32:51 GMT -5
I don't know what I'd do Bob, as I was never in this type of situation. I hope I would get involved & help the person. Exactly, Joan. Because you are a good person and that is the decent thing to do. That company and nurse did not do the right thing. They let someone die because of company policy. Bob |
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Post by faskew on Mar 8, 2013 9:54:45 GMT -5
I know of one case when I was in nursing school where a nurse did CPR on someone who had a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) order and got in trouble for that. I guess that it's important that families and staff all have a very clear idea of what's expected of employees at an institution. Those that don't agree shouldn't work there or put their relatives there. And there's also the mess when some family members want one thing and others want something else. Best make that living will while you still can. 8->
Fred Askew
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