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Post by rmarks1 on Jan 14, 2019 19:16:12 GMT -5
Maybe because they are?
Bob
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Post by faskew on Jan 15, 2019 9:17:10 GMT -5
You'd think that fascists would be on the other extreme - There is only one truth, and I have it. LOL
Of course, there's a hint in this quote that those who are strong enough to impose their views on others are automatically correct (might makes right). And perhaps that's what M is going for. As an outsider opposing both the Church and the government, he's saying that he will win because he's stronger, and that's how you'll know he speaks the truth.
Who knows. Relativism is goofy enough to allow for just about anything. Sigh.
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Post by rmarks1 on Jan 15, 2019 20:19:09 GMT -5
You'd think that fascists would be on the other extreme - There is only one truth, and I have it. LOL Of course, there's a hint in this quote that those who are strong enough to impose their views on others are automatically correct (might makes right). And perhaps that's what M is going for. As an outsider opposing both the Church and the government, he's saying that he will win because he's stronger, and that's how you'll know he speaks the truth. Who knows. Relativism is goofy enough to allow for just about anything. Sigh.
It's goofier than that Fred. Here's what Senator Elizabeth Warren wants to do:
"The conceit tying together Warren’s ideas is that if corporations are going to have the legal rights of persons, they should be expected to act like decent citizens who uphold their fair share of the social contract and not act like sociopaths whose sole obligation is profitability — as is currently conventional in American business thinking.
Warren wants to create an Office of United States Corporations inside the Department of Commerce and require any corporation with revenue over $1 billion — only a few thousand companies, but a large share of overall employment and economic activity — to obtain a federal charter of corporate citizenship.
The charter tells company directors to consider the interests of all relevant stakeholders — shareholders, but also customers, employees, and the communities in which the company operates — when making decisions. That could concretely shift the outcome of some shareholder lawsuits but is aimed more broadly at shifting American business culture out of its current shareholders-first framework and back toward something more like the broad ethic of social responsibility that took hold during WWII...
More concretely, United States Corporations would be required to allow their workers to elect 40 percent of the membership of their board of directors. "
Now where have we heard this before? How about here:
"Mussolini did have a clear economic agenda, both long and short-term, from the beginning of his rule. The government had two main objectives—to modernize the economy and to remedy the country's lack of strategic resources. Before the removal of Stefani, Mussolini's administration pushed the modern capitalistic sector in the service of the state, intervening directly as needed to create a collaboration between the industrialists, the workers and the state. The government moved toward resolving class conflicts in favour of corporatism. In the short term, the government worked to reform the widely abused tax system, dispose of inefficient state-owned industry, cut government costs and introduce tariffs to protect the new industries. However, these policies ended after Mussolini took dictatorial controls and terminated the coalition."
She's trying to pass off Italian Fascist economic policy as a progressive left-wing advance!
Il Duce rides again!
Bob
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Post by faskew on Jan 16, 2019 8:30:25 GMT -5
The simplest answer to the corporation nonsense is to pass a law that specifically says corporations are NOT people and therefore do not have the rights of people. And I don't think that corporations have a "shareholders-first" mentality. They have a corporate executives-first mentality. They are just as likely to screw over shareholders as they are customers. When a corporation is caught doing something bad, the gov fines the shareholders and the executives resign or are fired and get millions from their golden parachutes.
I guess what I'm saying is that Warren's plan may be goofy, but there is a real and serious problem with corporations that needs to be addressed.
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Post by rmarks1 on Jan 16, 2019 12:41:18 GMT -5
The simplest answer to the corporation nonsense is to pass a law that specifically says corporations are NOT people and therefore do not have the rights of people. And I don't think that corporations have a "shareholders-first" mentality. They have a corporate executives-first mentality. They are just as likely to screw over shareholders as they are customers. When a corporation is caught doing something bad, the gov fines the shareholders and the executives resign or are fired and get millions from their golden parachutes. I guess what I'm saying is that Warren's plan may be goofy, but there is a real and serious problem with corporations that needs to be addressed.
Yes Fred, there is a serious problem that needs to be addressed.
But Warren's plan is worse than goofy. It's the exact same thing as Italian Fascism!
How about a law that says golden parachutes are null and void if executives are caught doing something illegal?
Bob
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Post by faskew on Jan 16, 2019 13:50:50 GMT -5
And I bet shareholders aren't happy when incompetent executives damage the company, get fired for their bad ways, and still get millions when they leave. Sometimes these guys make more money getting fired than they would by working. Grrrr.
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Post by rmarks1 on Jan 16, 2019 15:02:53 GMT -5
And I bet shareholders aren't happy when incompetent executives damage the company, get fired for their bad ways, and still get millions when they leave. Sometimes these guys make more money getting fired than they would by working. Grrrr.
I agree. A simple change in the criminal law would be enough to stop that. Of course most members of Congress are millionaires themselves, even while they pretend to be on the side of "ordinary people." And they are taking money from lobbyists. So it may be a while before that law gets changed.
Bob
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Post by faskew on Jan 17, 2019 9:41:35 GMT -5
I keep offering to ruin companies at a discount. Why pay $20 to an exe who runs a company into the ground, then walks away? I'll gladly ruin your company for 1/4 of the price. Yes, folk, pay me a mere $5 million and you'll get the same result for much, much less. 8->
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