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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 15:24:16 GMT -5
Now that I've got Spectrum Digital (no choice, it was that or nothing--no more analogue) I now have Investigation Discovery and I'm really enjoying it, especially that now I'm watching less of cable news because of it. But I have got to ask--what is wrong with me that I enjoy watching true crime murder stories?
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Post by joan on Jun 23, 2018 15:30:26 GMT -5
Nothing is wrong with you. You're just curious.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 16:05:15 GMT -5
Nothing is wrong with you. You're just curious. But, yes, I do like it when the criminals are caught and brought to justice and punished. I also do like to see the way that forensics is used and investigators go about their jobs. I'm not really a fan of the "disappearance" episodes because I don't like it when there's no resolution to what's happened to those people.
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Post by faskew on Jun 25, 2018 9:04:33 GMT -5
I've always been a murder mystery fan, read more of those novels that any other genre. True-crime tales are darker, since they're real, but interesting because there's a sense of "control". That is, the universe doesn't seem so random when someone solves a puzzle. BTW, I recommend a video on Wired News. It's pay to view these days, but I believe that everyone gets 4 free articles per month. Give it a try. The video is a real forensic expert who talks about several TV shows and movies and discusses how realistic their forensic work is. Go to the URL and scroll down to find the video. www.wired.com/Forensics Expert Examines Crime Scene Investigations from Film & TV
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 21:30:38 GMT -5
Thanks, I watched that, Fred. Unfortunately, I don't know what I did and it quit at about a quarter of the way through. But that's okay, because I got the idea. In fact, I'm going to be watching those shows a little more closely now. There's nothing so far that I can say that jumped out on me from the ones I've viewing, though. But I wasn't actually looking for any mistakes, either.
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Post by faskew on Jun 27, 2018 8:15:15 GMT -5
Wired replaced it with something else, so maybe you were cut off during the trade.
The main thing I see in almost every show is cops picking stuff up or moving it around before it has been photographed. CSI units photograph everything before they move it, even little things like shell casings. Just take it for granted that almost every TV show or movie shows cops doing it wrong.
BTW, same goes for CPR. The worst offense, because watching CPR is boring, is that they do about 1 minute and then give because the person didn't revive. Basic fact - CPR almost NEVER revives anyone. You're supposed to keep it up until an ambulance arrives with the proper equipment. The CPR is to keep their brain alive until then, not to revive them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 11:33:06 GMT -5
Okay, in a show yesterday a car that belonged to a missing woman was found, and the detective got there and opened the door without, as far as they showed, first dusting for fingerprints. I'm starting to look at this stuff now. And I actually never thought of CPR that way.
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Post by faskew on Jun 27, 2018 13:41:31 GMT -5
TV folk usually spend about 15 seconds on CPR, then give it up. When I used to be a CPR instructor, we used to tell people to pace themselves. Depending on where you are, time of day, etc., you might have to do it for 30 minutes or more. Basically, once you start, you don't stop until EMS people show up and take over.
Of course, if you're out in the wilderness, nearest ambulance 4 hours away, you stop when you're too tired to carry on. 8->
Another CPR fact - it may not do any good. Depends on what made the heart stop in the first place. For example, if the person had the wrong kind of stroke, there may be nothing that will save them. Or if their heart has been stopped for more than 5 minutes, the brain may be dead. Yeah, CPR may not save them, but not doing CPR will definitely kill them.
Another TV cop thing - tasting stuff. You see some cop on TV put his finger in a puddle and either put the substance close to his nose and sniff it, or worse, actually taste it. Brrrrr.
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Post by raybar on Jun 27, 2018 17:00:12 GMT -5
I especially like movie CPR when they get angry and start pounding on the patient's chest as if they trying to kill him - - and it works. The near dead suddenly wake up and need no further medical attention.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 21:42:57 GMT -5
I'm thinking that because of the time limit of one hour shows, that they can't have 30 minute CPR sessions. Lol But of course they could imply it. And also some other stuff has to be sped up at the cost of accuracy. I expected Raybar to mention that.
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Post by raybar on Jun 27, 2018 22:21:29 GMT -5
What has to be sped up at the cost of accuracy?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 23:25:52 GMT -5
What has to be sped up at the cost of accuracy? Seriously? I mean taking the time to dust for finger prints, etc. before opening a car door, for instance to look at a body inside.
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Post by raybar on Jun 28, 2018 1:11:18 GMT -5
That's a matter script and staging.
For instance - They find a car with a body in it. They shouldn't mess with it before forensics gets there, so they call the station and begin to report the situation.. CUT TO another part of the story. And then, after a while, CUT TO the car with the body. Forensics is nearly finished. Our heroes deliver few lines of snappy dialog CUT TO the next scene
Or they poke around just a little bit, preferably with gloves on, before or after reporting the situation. Maybe the hero has a tendency to bend the rules sometimes.
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Post by faskew on Jun 28, 2018 8:24:41 GMT -5
Best is to have the main cop characters show up AFTER CSI has done their stuff. Then they can poke and taste all they want to without slowing the action.
CPR - Back in the 1970s we used to teach the "precordial thump", which was hitting just over heart before starting CPR. It sometimes worked like a defibrillator and restarted the heart. But excited people tended to hit too hard, which could break bones, especially in old folk, and after enough people had their hearts pierced by bone fragments, they dropped the "thump" from training, except for medical personnel. I think that's the origin of the "beat them until they wake up" stuff. Although the proper method is ONE hit, then move on. 8->
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