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Post by debutante on Nov 27, 2017 22:45:36 GMT -5
I have a vague memory of real Christmas trees. I must have been very small because I can picture my Dad lifting me up to put ornaments on the branches. There was a definite odor to them – and I’m pretty sure I was allergic to it. I can remember holding my breath whenever I sat near the tree watching the American Flyer train whizzing around the track underneath. I remember colored glass bulb lights about an inch long. They threw off considerable heat and would cause burns if you got too close to them. Tinsel was popular then too – and I used to like to take a single piece and wind it around. The ornaments were all glass in those days. They still have them for sale these days – but they’re pricey and seldom come in boxed sets. I had a favorite ornament – it was turnip shaped glass – lime green, and silver with yellow flowers painted on it. It was always the last ornament hung. In the mid 60’s the stores came out with aluminum trees –my mom jumped on the bandwagon and bought a silver one. She added one of those revolving multi-colored floodlights. That tree revolved too – but the train was gone. It didn’t really fit with the modern look of the tree and I missed the puffs of smoke. Satin ornaments were the thing – mom had several sets and depending on her mood—each year there would be a different color. Then the realistic trees became the rage – and my mother bought a green artificial tree. I was in my first year of college and feeling ambitious that year. I baked cookie ornaments with strings --- and the entire tree was covered in edible goodies. It was beautiful --- but didn’t last long. It hadn’t occurred to me that people would eat an ornament or two whenever they passed by – so by Christmas day – I had to resort to redecorating the tree with regular ornaments. My first Christmas tree as a married woman was a small apartment sized model – a green artificial tree. The ornaments were all handmade cross stitch Christmas designs. It took me almost an entire year to make enough to cover the tree. My husband gave me an HO scale model train as one of my gifts that year – so I had a train puffing smoke once again. That tree lasted far longer than I would have expected. I lost my Christmas spirit once my son was diagnosed with autism. I forced myself to decorate the tree the year he was diagnosed. After the season ended – I knew I wouldn’t be able to do it again. I carefully (and rather dangerously) carried the entire tree fully decorated into a corner of the basement where I covered it with plastic sheeting. For years, I just went downstairs and carried the stupid thing back up so the kids would have a decorated tree – and I wouldn’t have to do anything else. I was probably lucky I didn’t kill myself on the stairs dragging that thing up and down every year. I’d have to adjust the garland a little – and maybe straighten out an ornament or two. But it was instant Christmas. The rest of the decorations remained boxed…. I don’t remember when the depression left, but it finally did and I bought a huge artificial tree that the kids and I put up every year. The ornaments are all blown glass. No two are alike and I told my daughter that someday I want her children to have a “favorite ornament” among the pile. I’ve become quite fond of ornaments --- so much so that Alison has forbidden me to buy any more. She says I have more ornaments than tree. I think I am making up for the years I went “instant Christmas”. In any event – the following Breitbart article made me think of all the Christmas trees I’ve had. I would never get a real tree because of my allergies, because of the possibility of fire, because I am far too lazy to go shopping for one every year, and I remember vaguely stepping on those pine needles and it really hurts! Besides I can’t see killing a living thing for no useful purpose. But I guess I never thought about tree growers and the fact that someone’s livelihood depends on people buying Christmas trees. I wonder what they do for cash the rest of the year. I know my brother always gets a real tree. But he’s older than me and probably had a few more years of the real thing before the aluminum one came – so to him, it brings back childhood memories. Okay – now tell me about your childhood trees….and your current trees. www.breitbart.com/california/2017/11/27/chinese-fake-trees-driving-u-s-christmas-tree-growers-out-of-business/--Debutante
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Post by faskew on Nov 28, 2017 9:04:30 GMT -5
Every social change creates new businesses and destroys old ones. There was a time when no one had Xmas trees, then it became a fad, and now the artificial ones are taking over. Remember Yule logs? Once upon a time almost everyone in the US had a fireplace, used for heat, cooking food, etc., so there was a place for Yule log. Today, only a few have a fireplace, so no more Yule logs. 8->
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Post by debutante on Nov 28, 2017 11:34:22 GMT -5
Hi Fred,
We never had a Yule log. City dwellers in Chicago generally didn't have fireplaces. But tell me about it -- was this something sold? Or did you go out in the forest to cut one? Was there some kind of tradition surrounding it?
Most important of all -- did it have special meaning to you? As if Christmas wouldn't be Christmas if you didn't have this item?
I sometimes feel that way when I look back on the Christmas traditions of my childhood (which were primarily ethnic)-- and I profoundly regret they are gone forever.
But I'm not alone. Last year -- I was listening to Polish Christmas carols (they usually played those at midnight mass) because the older I get the more nostalgic I'm becoming. I was really surprised when one of my Christmas gifts from my brother last year turned out to be an album of Polish Christmas carols -- they exact ones I'd been listening to the evening before he came over. So maybe it's something that comes with age.
I found online -- reproduction 1950's glass ornaments and they were the exact ones that were on the first tree I remember from childhood. This year -- one of my brother's presents will be a box of those.
I've got Christmas on my mind....the Hallmark channel is running holiday movies back to back 24 hours daily for twelve days. I've slept about three hours in the last four days. They're largely predictable plots -- but it's such a pleasure to watch hour after hour of something that has no violence, no graphic sex and at least tries to give a family oriented message. I'm having fun. My husband keeps telling me to go to sleep before I make myself sick -- but I don't want to miss anything. LOL!
--Debutante
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Post by debutante on Nov 28, 2017 11:39:56 GMT -5
There's some glitch in the system. I can't correct typographical errors --- the sentences are correct in the typing box but show up incorrect as a post.
--Debutante
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Post by faskew on Nov 28, 2017 12:08:47 GMT -5
No logs for me. Not only did I not have a fireplace, I didn't have any heat at all in many places that I lived. Since I didn't really have a family, Xmas was not my thing. People would invite me over for their meal (or whatever), but I was always an outsider. So I'd eat the goodies and leave. Many Xmas days I spent entirely alone, with maybe a can of beans and franks for lunch. My wife is big on the day and likes to tart up our home with decorations and buy presents for all her relatives, but I'm just happy when it's over. 8->
Here's some log info from Wikipedia.
"...historian Gerry Bowler notes[1] that the yule log was one of the most widespread Christmas traditions in early modern Europe, with the first recording of its appearance dating to 1184.
...the log was a huge block, lasting for the Twelve Days of Christmas, and it was not burned completely its first year: part of it was saved to light the following year's yule log. While the mostly burned wood waited for its duty to light a new yule log, it was kept around the house to ward off a range of misfortunes, including toothaches, mildew, lightning, housefires, hail and chilblains (an inflammation of small blood vessels brought on from exposure to cold). The log had other magical properties, particularly in parts of Northern Spain and Southern France
However, it has long been observed that the custom may have much earlier origins, possibly extending from or echoing customs observed in Germanic paganism.
The Yule log is also attested as a custom present elsewhere in the English-speaking world, such as the United States. Robert Meyer, Jr. records in 1947 that a "Yule-Log Ceremony" in Palmer Lake, Colorado had occurred since 1934. He describes the custom: "It starts with the yule log [sic] hunt and is climaxed by drinking of wassail around the fire."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 15:36:08 GMT -5
When my mother was a child in Austria, the Christmas tree was put up by the adults the night of Christmas Eve when the kids were asleep in bed. Then on Christmas morning when the children got up, they would walk into the livingroom and there would be the tree all beautiful decorated and lit up with real candles and with wrapped gifts under it. Yes, real candles. Your Grandparents Were Right — Candles on Your Christmas Tree Really ARE AwesomeAnd my thing is with the Christmas tree ornaments which I have collected every year for decades, many being dated, which I keep up with every year. When I take them out of storage each Christmas, it's like meeting old friends and brings back the memories each one calls to mind. As far as trees, haven't had a fresh one for many years.
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Post by debutante on Nov 28, 2017 18:45:24 GMT -5
Lily,
That sounds pretty, but must have been a lot of work. I can't imagine how much time it must have taken to light all the candles.
I'd love to see some photos of your favorite ornaments.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 23:08:45 GMT -5
Lily, That sounds pretty, but must have been a lot of work. I can't imagine how much time it must have taken to light all the candles. I'd love to see some photos of your favorite ornaments. --Debutante Yes, and as the article says, they have to be carefully placed and diligently watched when lit. Not something one would light and then leave for even a few minutes. I suppose one would have to have regular lights to use when not using the candles every once in a while. But then, before electrical lights, that's all they had and were using candles for hundreds of years. Oh, my ornaments are still boxed up and in storage. The thought of dragging everything out this year makes me tired. It feels almost scandalous to say that I'm thinking of just using lights, garlands and ball ornaments on the tree this year. I'll have to see. But I will still be getting a 2017 ornament, although I'm disappointed in the Hallmark selection that I've seen so far.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 23:12:42 GMT -5
No logs for me. Not only did I not have a fireplace, I didn't have any heat at all in many places that I lived. Since I didn't really have a family, Xmas was not my thing. People would invite me over for their meal (or whatever), but I was always an outsider. So I'd eat the goodies and leave. Many Xmas days I spent entirely alone, with maybe a can of beans and franks for lunch. My wife is big on the day and likes to tart up our home with decorations and buy presents for all her relatives, but I'm just happy when it's over. 8-> Lol.... Sounds just like a guy. Actually, I'm always relieved when the holiday season is over, too. I get so tired of Christmas carols and those Hallmark movies (sorry, Deb).
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Post by debutante on Nov 29, 2017 2:18:13 GMT -5
Lily,
I have, over the past few years, developed a new appreciation for the season. Even with the commercial aspects -- it's still a visual delight. Perhaps because you're in Hawaii and don't get snow -- it might be missing something.
But we get the Lake effect and snow up to our kneecaps most years. Before it gets all dirty from traffic -- it's truly beautiful. It sparkles in moonlight and reflects colored Christmas lights.
State street is a sight to behold with the animated window displays. They still give carriage rides down Michigan Avenue (weather permitting).
The Water Tower looks spectacular -- picture postcard perfect.
Love is in the air! Yes, those cheesy Hallmark movies aren't too far off the mark. In Chicago, Christmas is a big day for engagements. All these couples canoodle and freeze together in romantic bliss. Every street corner has a love story playing itself out.
"Santa's Helpers" are in the stores so the kids can tell their Christmas wishes. I doubt these sophisticated children nowadays actually believe in Santa, but play along for the gifts. I love watching the kids all excited to see Santa. Even more, I love the humor of the photos of the kids who don't want anything to do with Santa. Some are priceless.
Then there is my favorite part of the holiday -- "A Christmas Carol" onstage. It plays in several venues and tickets are usually sold out by Halloween. I don't care how many times I've seen it with how many different casts -- each has delighted me. It's my favorite play and I try to see it every year.
If I miss anything -- it's the dearly departed. That and the religious aspects that aren't emphasized anymore. High mass at midnight with full procession. The church decorated in hundreds of poinsettias. The choir singing both Polish and English carols. Hand bell performances at church.
After mass, the extended family on my Dad's side would meet at my Grandma's house for pierogi. My poor Grandmother must have spent a week making them. There were at least twenty to thirty people and pierogi is one of those items people eat in volume. Fried in butter -- they,are pure heaven.
I still make pierogi [actually a better recipe than my Grandmother's -- my mother-in-law had a secret technique she taught me]. I plan to whip up some batches of sauerkraut, potato, fresh cabbage, and some cheese. I don't do meat filled or fruit filled because my family doesn't care for them.
But Christmas isn't Christmas without pierogi [or good polish sausage -- I know a place that makes one with lots of garlic and it's fantastic]. So I am probably going to place an order.
My brother knows how to make polish sausage [Grandpa apparently taught him when he was a little boy]. I missed out on that -- I barely remember my Grandfather, although my deceased Grandmother visited me once and told me he is always with me. She said she told him not to show himself because she knows I don't remember what he looks like.
But I love Christmas even more now than in the past. I try to hold on to what is left in changing times. You really don't appreciate what you have until it's gone. And those childhood Christmases are now just memories.
-- Debutante
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Post by faskew on Nov 29, 2017 9:21:00 GMT -5
>I get so tired of Christmas carols and those Hallmark movies (sorry, Deb). ---Yep. These days the hard-sales-pitch begins on Halloween night. By dawn of Nov 1, stores have out all their Xmas goods and start playing Xmas carols. Used to be they had the decency to wait until at least after TGiving, but no more. I expect that any year now Labor Day will become the new start of the Xmas season. 8-<
---I'm already overstuffed with Xmas by TGiving. 7 weeks of it is just too much. When I become enlightened despot of the world, I shall declare that the Xmas season begins two weeks before the day. Not one minute sooner. And stiff fines will be imposed on any store that breaks my law. LOL
---Of course, the only way to cure this disease is for people to stop buying Xmas presents. Maybe some for kids under 18, but nothing expensive. Or better yet, no presents at all. We have to take the money out of the holiday to fix it.
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Post by debutante on Nov 29, 2017 12:27:07 GMT -5
In memory of the ghosts of Christmases Past:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 13:28:08 GMT -5
I'd be happy with having Christmas just every five years. The way that years have shrunk, it would be just about right. But, Fred, no presents? What are you trying to do--screw up the economy? And, Deb, yes, we have no snow in Honolulu.
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Post by faskew on Nov 29, 2017 13:51:35 GMT -5
No snow in Austin, either. Texas has 5 distinct areas, each with very different climates. The Panhandle (about 3,000 feet above sea level) is like Kansas - flat and windy. They can have snow as early as Sep. But Austin is semi-tropical. Our first freeze is usually around TGiving, and we may years without any snow. This year is especially warm and dry. Daily highs about 10 degrees F above normal. Doesn't seem like Xmas when it's sunny and 85F. Santa could get heat stroke. 8->
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 14:20:10 GMT -5
Deb, here's a photo of one of my favorite ornaments. This one is from 28 years ago. Just one of many that I've been collecting over the years.
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Post by debutante on Nov 30, 2017 23:11:38 GMT -5
Lily,
That's truly charming. I love ornaments that are individual. Is that something you bought yourself or a family heirloom?
--Debutante
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 13:56:57 GMT -5
Not an heirloom. Just one of my yearly purchases, this one from 1989.
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Post by faskew on Dec 1, 2017 17:08:04 GMT -5
I was curious how nativity scenes began. For the first 2-300 years, Christians didn't celebrate Xmas at all. Somewhere the shed with animals started, although historically inaccurate. The "barns" of the time were the bottom floor of houses built into the sides of hills. The people lived on top and their animals were brought in at night. So nativity scenes shouldn't show sheds, but full rooms. And the 3 Zoroastrian astrologers (hi, Bob) didn't come round until Jesus was a toddler (it's in the BOOK!). Anyway, here's what Wikipedia says about how it started.
"Saint Francis of Assisi is credited with creating the first nativity scene in 1223 at Greccio, central Italy, in an attempt to place the emphasis of Christmas upon the worship of Christ rather than upon secular materialism and gift giving."
So even back then, Christmas was mostly about buying stuff? Just like today. Ah, the true meaning of Christmas throughout the centuries - spend money. Because our True God is the dollar. 8->
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