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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 15:51:57 GMT -5
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Post by raybar on Aug 28, 2013 13:55:47 GMT -5
Generalizations are often unfair to someone, even when they accurately state the case for the majority of those they address.
What unfair generalization do you mean?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 14:22:29 GMT -5
Generalizations are often unfair to someone, even when they accurately state the case for the majority of those they address. What unfair generalization do you mean? For anyone who doesn't see them, then it would be useless to repeat them because obviously anyone not seeing them agrees with them. If someone else would like to argue the points, they can be my guest. I'm not trying to be a snot when I say that, but just realistic. Do all the myths presented in the article about atheists resonate with you? I imagine you can probably think about many more.
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Post by raybar on Aug 28, 2013 14:47:42 GMT -5
Lily, since you have not specified which generalization(s) you consider unfair, I don't know which you mean. I am not going to guess. And you do not know what I see or don't see and you don't know which generalizations I agree or disagree with.
I asked what I believe is a reasonable question. Answer it or not, as you please.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 14:52:40 GMT -5
Lily, since you have not specified which generalization(s) you consider unfair, I don't know which you mean. I am not going to guess. And you do not know what I see or don't see and you don't know which generalizations I agree or disagree with. I asked what I believe is a reasonable question. Answer it or not, as you please. I'm sorry I even brought that up that way. My intention was only about the 10 myths. That was really just a side comment that I thought of when I was posting it. I'm going to now edit my initial post. Honestly, Raybar. No one here is going to agree with me anyway, and the whole point of why I even posted the article is being lost. It was my honest attempt to be fair to atheists. Honest to God! So, do you agree with them?
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Post by raybar on Aug 28, 2013 16:21:26 GMT -5
With qualifications, I disagree with all ten of the statements that the author, Amanda Marcotte, has presented. I suppose you could find some atheists for whom any of these statements are true, but they are generally false.
1) There are no atheists in foxholes. Disagree - Some atheists may find themselves calling for divine help in times of stress or danger, but certainly not all, and without evidence I’m not willing to concede that it’s a large percentage.
2) Atheists are just angry with God. Disagree - What god?
3) Atheists are aggressive and rude. Some are, some are not, just like the members of any large group of people. I disapprove of such behavior from anyone at any time, not that I haven’t been rude myself occasionally.
4) Atheism is a white dude thing. Nonsense.
5) Atheism is just a faith like any other. Disagree - It is the rejection of faith-based belief in a being for which there is no evidence.
6) Atheists don’t have a moral code. Disagree - There is plenty of literature about religion not being needed for morality. Of course, amoral and immoral people do exist, and some of them probably call themselves atheists.
7) Atheist lives are bleak and lack meaning. Nonsense.
8) Atheists are hedonists who don’t understand the true meaning of love Nonsense.
9) Atheists have no way to cope after losing loved ones without the belief in an afterlife. Nonsense.
10) Atheists are out to destroy Christmas. Nonsense - We have fabulous Christmas celebrations. Tree trimming party about ten days ahead, Christmas Day with the close family, Boxing Day with the extended family and lots of friends. We also host a family gathering on Easter. We haven’t given up cultural traditions just because they originated in religion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 16:49:17 GMT -5
Okay, my bad. What I meant was, do you agree these are myths? Which you do mostly agree that they are. And, nevertheless, it's good to have you reiterate that you agree they are myths with your own thoughts and words.
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Post by faskew on Sept 2, 2013 16:42:24 GMT -5
I think that Americans (in general) accept most of these myths as true. And, of course, I know that they are only true for some atheists. Sigh. 8->
Atheists have just as wide a range of beliefs as religious people do. What can we say that the Amish and the Taliban have in common? They both believe that there is a god and that they are living the lives that their god tells them to. Not much else at all.
There's just as wide a range of atheist beliefs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 23:16:37 GMT -5
I think that Americans (in general) accept most of these myths as true. And, of course, I know that they are only true for some atheists. Sigh. 8-> Atheists have just as wide a range of beliefs as religious people do. What can we say that the Amish and the Taliban have in common? They both believe that there is a god and that they are living the lives that their god tells them to. Not much else at all. There's just as wide a range of atheist beliefs. Of course there is a wide range of atheist belielfs. In fact, I would bet that most folks who just don't believe in religion don't have have any kind of agenda at all, political or otherwise. It's only hardnose athiests that make a big deal out of it. There are many, many kinds of beliefis and non-beliefs, but it's those kind of atheists that make it into some kind of big deal, and there are definitely some kind of agenda there. Of course there's also lots of religious folks that have their agenda as well. As far as I'm concerned all of them can go to hell. All of them want to make all of our lives miserable. Except they can't. They only can if we let them by getting all of us upset. Except it's not working, because most of us don't really give a damn about fundamentlist beliefs (and fundamentalist disbeliefs) And in time, those folks will be in their graves. Let them try and vote from there Ha!
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Post by faskew on Sept 3, 2013 10:22:53 GMT -5
Keep in mind that for those of us who live in the land of the American Taliban (Texas), we sometimes have to be less than polite to get the fundamentalist Christians to leave us alone. Many of them really do believe, exactly like the Taliban, that they are following God's will and that anyone who disagrees with them is working for Satan. They have no qualms about taking over government agencies to promote their beliefs and punishing those who refuse to bow down to their god. Governor Rick Perry may or may not believe all the things that he says, but most of his followers are true believers. And they are the majority in the state. Being an atheist in public down here can be dangerous. 8-<
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Post by rmarks1 on Sept 3, 2013 21:57:15 GMT -5
Keep in mind that for those of us who live in the land of the American Taliban (Texas), we sometimes have to be less than polite to get the fundamentalist Christians to leave us alone. Many of them really do believe, exactly like the Taliban, that they are following God's will and that anyone who disagrees with them is working for Satan. They have no qualms about taking over government agencies to promote their beliefs and punishing those who refuse to bow down to their god. Governor Rick Perry may or may not believe all the things that he says, but most of his followers are true believers. And they are the majority in the state. Being an atheist in public down here can be dangerous. 8-< No problem Fred. Just tell them you belong to the Church of Bob. Then offer to sell them one of my indulgences for their sins. I'll split the fee with you. Bob
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 16:11:12 GMT -5
Keep in mind that for those of us who live in the land of the American Taliban (Texas), we sometimes have to be less than polite to get the fundamentalist Christians to leave us alone. Many of them really do believe, exactly like the Taliban, that they are following God's will and that anyone who disagrees with them is working for Satan. They have no qualms about taking over government agencies to promote their beliefs and punishing those who refuse to bow down to their god. Governor Rick Perry may or may not believe all the things that he says, but most of his followers are true believers. And they are the majority in the state. Being an atheist in public down here can be dangerous. 8-< Well, Texas I guess is simply hell on earth. How did you get there, anyway? And why do you stay? What do they do? Come to your house and put up burning crosses? And I'm not being funny either.
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Post by faskew on Sept 4, 2013 16:57:03 GMT -5
I was born here. I live in Austin, which is an oasis in the middle of the ocean of fundamentalists. They exist here, but are not the majority. What they do depends on who they are. Some are just nasty, but some can be violent. More danger in the rural areas.
The good news is that the old GOP conservatives are losing ground as more people of other states move here and the young conservatives are adopting new, improved ideas. 8->
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