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Post by Roger (over and out) on Jun 16, 2014 22:12:15 GMT -5
I've often thought that the most reliable gauge of scientific or medical progress is the state of dentisty. We can (or at least we could. Allegedly...) send men to the moon, and photo-map every street on Earth, yet the process of extracting teeth has hardly changed at all in nearly a hundred years. It's still all about needles and pliers and brute force. Despite all the technological advances we've seen in recent decades - mobile phones, the internet, 3D printers etc - dental technology has remained primitive and barbaric. Breakthroughs in this field are as rare as rocking horse manure. So this report, if accurate, is significant. www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/16/fillings-dentists-tooth-decay-treatment?CMP=fb_gu
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Post by raybar on Jun 17, 2014 10:23:03 GMT -5
"Available in three years ..." and then it has to actually be put into use by individual dentists over a period of time - a little late for me, but I may still have a tooth or two by then.
On a broader scale, I hope that we will learn to help the body repair itself from all manner of injuries. Each of us grew a whole body from a single cell. Why can't we re-grow whatever is damaged or lost to injury or illness?
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Post by Roger (over and out) on Jun 17, 2014 10:49:40 GMT -5
Yes, any developments that sound promising are always going to be available several years down the road. And in most cases we never hear about them again.
I personally am extremely disappointed with the rate of scientific and technological advances over the last hundred or so years. We've had things like the internet, mobile phones, electronic cameras etc, but these have all been incremental innovations based on 19th century discoveries and inventions. There have been no fundamental breakthroughs in over 100 years. We still don't have antigravity cars, or teleportation, or robots that can do the housework. In the medical field, there's still no cure for cancer. Or even for the common cold. There has been nothing in the last 100 years to equal inventions like the telephone, moving pictures, radio, the combustion engine, airplanes etc. These inventions were miraculous in their day. Nowadays science is all about improving on existing technology - making smarter phones, smaller computers, safer planes or whatever. But there's no genuinely new technology.
And on the subject of dentistry, I remember going to see a dentist in London around 1985 to have a filling and he told me that it would probably be the last filling I'd ever need because dental technology was progressing at such a rapid pace. "Five years from now," he said, "we'll have dentistry without needles, and if someone loses a tooth they'll be able to regrow it."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 14:59:19 GMT -5
Mobile phones are an "incremental innovation"? Are you kidding me? They don't even use the same technology as landline telephones.
I can talk to friends and relatives literally anywhere. 25 years ago, we both needed to be at a place that had a phone. If that's not a fundamental breakthrough of communication then I don't know what is.
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Post by Roger (over and out) on Jun 17, 2014 15:57:51 GMT -5
Then you don't know what is : )
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Post by raybar on Jun 17, 2014 16:29:47 GMT -5
I think of a fundamental breakthrough as something like the understanding of relativity achieved by Einstein, which took physics in a new direction not even suspected by most physicists, or the understanding of electricity and magnetism achieved by Faraday and Maxwell which finally explained these long-known curiosities of nature and allowed us to put them to work.
If you put your new iPhone next to your grandmother's rotary dial telephone, it looks likes it's from a different world. But there was a gradual step-by-step transition from one to the other over a period of decades. Likewise for the change in electronics from vacuum tubes to microprocessors, or the change from the Model-T Ford to today's Lamborghini.
What's the next fundamental breakthrough? If we could answer that question, it wouldn't be fundamental.
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Post by Roger (over and out) on Jun 17, 2014 18:21:11 GMT -5
Exactly what I meant, Raybar. Mobile phones use advanced technology, but they still work on a principle discovered in the 19th century. We modify and improve existing inventions now, instead of discovering new principles.
I think the reason for this goes back to Thomas Edison and his Menlo Park laboratory, the world's first research and development facility. From then on, the emphasis was on development rather than discovery - ie, developing technologies that had a marketable end-product.
Previously, scientific discoveries were largely made by maverick scientists working on their own, driven by curiosity and, in most cases, a desire to help mankind and contribute to the sum of human knowledge.
Today - from Manlo Park on, in fact - research and development have been combined in a commercial concern, and science has become a career rather than a vocation. The best scientific minds are tasked with developing and improving existing technologies, when, arguably, they should be working independently to break new ground or at least find a cure for cancer.
Edison's idea was to accelerate scientific development and convert discoveries into machines and gadgets that people would buy. But the advent of R&D was also the death knell for independent scientific exploration.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 19:07:40 GMT -5
I think of a fundamental breakthrough as something like the understanding of relativity achieved by Einstein, which took physics in a new direction not even suspected by most physicists, or the understanding of electricity and magnetism achieved by Faraday and Maxwell which finally explained these long-known curiosities of nature and allowed us to put them to work. I think you're measuring with different scales here, Raybar. Those inventions didn't come out of nowhere, scientists and inventors had conducted experiments with electricity almost a century before Faraday's experiments with induction. Henry Ford spent more than 20 years developing prototypes of automobiles before he came up with the Model T. Thermionic Emission was known for almost half a century before the development of vacuum tubes in the strict sense. From your examples, I don't really see much of a difference between supposedly "fundamental" changes and "incremental" innovation. Invention and innovation is always building on what came before, things during the 19th century were no different in this regard than they are now.
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Post by raybar on Jun 17, 2014 20:24:07 GMT -5
I suppose it all depends on how you want to look at it and where you want to draw your lines.
(using loose language here ---)
Newton's work changed everything -- a fundamental advance in understanding forces, motion, gravity, the solar system
Faraday's work, put into mathematical form by Maxwell, changed everything -- a fundamental advance that made the entire electrical industry possible.
Einstein's work changed everything -- a fundamental advance in understanding space, time, gravity
Of course, each of them built on what came before, as do we all. But these (along with many others) were the critical insights that helped define our theories.
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Post by faskew on Jun 18, 2014 13:11:40 GMT -5
I have a question about the new tooth technique. Currently, part of the drilling before filling is to remove infected and destroyed pulp, the soft stuff underneath the enamel. Replacing the enamel is all well and good, but I'm thinking that simply growing new enamel over a bacterial infection will not work. Or am I missing something here?
Scientists have already figured out how to grow rat teeth and such in a dish. Seems like the goal would be to use people DNA to grow new teeth for those missing or severely damaged teeth and simply replace the bad ones. Many years away, but I think it will happen eventually.
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Post by Roger (over and out) on Jun 18, 2014 13:54:53 GMT -5
It is my understanding that this has been possible for two decades or more. I remember that it was "big news" back in the early 90s, and was supposed to be widely available "within a few years".
Given that dentists would lose a lot if not most of their business if teeth could be regrown, you have to wonder whether this technique has been deliberately held back.
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