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Post by jem on Apr 22, 2013 7:46:10 GMT -5
Hi all -
Wondering about planets that have life similiar to ours. So far two have been located, but too far away to send our greetings.
Wondering if some entities on our planet are trying to kill the whole planet...like Monsanto. And all that evil stuff we've been reading about lately.
Wondering about how new planets are born. Wondering why some more advanced and friendly planets don't let us know that they exist. Just a short e-mail form should do it.
I'm getting closer to my next journey, so kinda would like to know what it will be like.
Wondering about so many things.
Womdering, probably too much, about life after death...and if there is any.
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Post by jem on Apr 22, 2013 7:52:33 GMT -5
Wondering if there's some way to correct a typo after it's been posted. Make that wondering and not womdering.
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Post by raybar on Apr 22, 2013 8:59:24 GMT -5
I don't think any planets have been discovered that are known to have life, let alone life similar to that on earth. Some candidate planets have been located which appear to possibly be in a "Goldilocks Zone" where their climates might be "not too hot, not too cold" for life of some sort to exist. But that's a far cry from discovering that life actually exists there.
(edited for spelling)
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Post by jem on Apr 22, 2013 9:23:12 GMT -5
Raybar- Left out a word...that COULD have life similiar to ours.
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Post by raybar on Apr 22, 2013 13:59:33 GMT -5
Well, that COULD have been the problam.
Regarding more advanced planets visiting or sending messages --- The Theory of Relativity describes how matter and energy move through space. If this theory is accurate, and there is no way to violate or circumvent it, then messages can only be sent at the speed of light and physical objects can only approach that speed (never acheive it) at an ennormous expendature of energy. This makes interstellar communication and travel extremely difficult and very slow.
If a deeper level of understanding should ever reveal ways to go faster than light, then an interstellar civilization might be possible. But if Relativity holds, we are likely to be forever confined to earth.
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Post by jem on Apr 22, 2013 14:29:35 GMT -5
What about within our own sphere of communication? Have all possibilites been explored?
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Post by jem on Apr 22, 2013 14:31:32 GMT -5
BTW, where's that edit button? Noticed that you were able to use it for spelling. Never mind. Think I found it. It's hidden in modify. One can do all kinds of wonderful things when clicking on that. And then when through click "Modify Post". Technology is so wonderful when you can make it work for you.
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Post by raybar on Apr 22, 2013 22:13:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you mean by "own sphere of communication," but in realistic terms our "sphere" is this solar system. We're the only ones here.
You can edit your posts by clicking the "Modify" button at the right side of the title line of your messages.
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Post by jem on Apr 23, 2013 7:27:41 GMT -5
Let me put it a different way, are we the only ones within the ability to communicate... Gee, it's lonely out here... So why is Monsanto and some others trying to destroy the only place we have?
If life on this planet dies...then that's it. But...
What about other dimensions. Where do our souls go, and what about that other world of angels, spirits, and the other nice stuff. You probably don't believe in such stuff (superstition?) but I think that there's something to it. Why? Because I've had some personal experience with it. Yes, I have!!!! Want to know more?
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Post by joan on Apr 23, 2013 8:29:30 GMT -5
jem: "Because I've had some personal experience with it. Yes, I have!!!! Want to know more?"
Sure!
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Post by jem on Apr 23, 2013 12:21:21 GMT -5
Joan - Sunday on "60 minutes" was a segment about the museum that's to open about 9/11.
I've been keeping journals for many years. Now have 29 "books"...I thought I'd take a look. BTW, my memory now is kinda bad...so...I have to depend on my journals.
Well here it is...in my book #24... September 10th Monday...Dreamt about tall buildings. Getting the last touch of wiring, etc (?)
September 11th Tues. WORLD CENTER DESTROYED.
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Post by raybar on Apr 23, 2013 13:57:31 GMT -5
Monsanto, like all businesses, does what it does for money. Almost to the point of certainty, the odds favor the existence of life on many worlds.
Thus far, earth is the only planet that we know for certain harbors life of any kind. We should expect life to be present on only a small percentage of all planets, but the universe is extremely large and contains a tremendous number of planets, so even a small percentage is still going to be a lot of planets with life. But life with the technology to broadcast signals over interstellar distances might be quite rare. We just don't know.
What has a dream about tall buildings getting the last touch of wiring got to do with the destruction of the World Trade Center which had been standing for 30 (?) years?
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Post by jem on Apr 23, 2013 14:23:59 GMT -5
Monsanto could make money doing what would benefit our planet. I'm sure that their ingenuity could think up ways and still make plenty of money.
About that dream, strange to me that I would dream of tall buildings. Probably the only time I've ever dreamt of buildings.
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Post by faskew on Apr 29, 2013 7:28:10 GMT -5
Jem - Like Raybar was saying, the problem with communication is the incredible distances. Our radio waves and such have only being leaving earth for a little over 100 years. So let's say that the next nearest intelligent life is 1 million light years away. They'll hear our stuff in a million years. If they want to reply, it will require another million years for us to get their message. We have listening posts set up on earth, but anything we hear will be at least thousands of years old. In other words, yeah, someday we might get a signal from anther species, but we'll likely never be able to enter into a dialogue.
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Post by jem on Apr 29, 2013 9:35:06 GMT -5
Do you or Raybar think that there might be different dimensions? Forinstance, religion touches on this somewhat. Feeling that there are different dimensions makes this whole experience of living much less frightening and lonely.
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Post by raybar on Apr 29, 2013 14:26:11 GMT -5
The short answer is, yes, there might be, but I am unaware of any evidence that there actually are any different dimensions. Lack of evidence doesn't mean they don't exist, but it gives me no reason to suppose that they do, either.
And the literature has a big “definition of terms” problem. What exactly are these “dimensions” supposed to be? I can’t remember ever seeing a clear description in anything I’ve read in mystical or occult or psychic or new age material. It’s all a little too vague to really know what they’re talking about. But that’s OK -- religious writers have yet to define anything clearly either, and they've had several thousand years to work on it.
Some physicists, such as Brian Greene, Michio Kaku, Lawrence Krass, in their books for the public, discuss the concept of multiple universes. They say that the equations which describe how the universe works, while not yet in a "final" form, pretty clearly imply that "our" universe is only one of many. This interpretation of the mathematics is speculative, as there is no evidence that it is correct (or incorrect), and there is doubt that we could ever detect another universe even if there are any.
Science fiction plays with these ideas too, and explores ways that parallel universes might be contacted. But fiction writers don't have to build the technology they use in their stories. Just because someone wrote "Beam me up, Scotty" or "They stepped through the portal to Tralfamador" doesn't mean it will ever be possible to do so.
In the end I have to say I don't know.
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Post by joan on Apr 29, 2013 14:37:41 GMT -5
Do you or Raybar think that there might be different dimensions? Forinstance, religion touches on this somewhat. Feeling that there are different dimensions makes this whole experience of living much less frightening and lonely. Which religion touches the subject of different dimensions? & where can I read of this? I'm sorry you feel frightened & lonely jem. Not that I don't, sometimes. Hope those times for you are few.
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Post by jem on Apr 29, 2013 22:37:56 GMT -5
Joan dear, Didn't mean "frightened and lonely" on a personal level...more like an experience for our whole planet. Athough on occasion I do feel a bit curious about this whole journey we're all on.
As for religion touching on this subject...how about in the form of angels, heaven and hell and,,,etc.
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Post by faskew on Apr 30, 2013 7:07:57 GMT -5
The mathematical concepts of other dimensions and universes are currently unsupported by physical evidence. Even in the math versions, such things might be the size of a single atom or otherwise totally unlike our worlds. In the SF shows, alternate worlds are almost exactly the same as our world, with only a couple of things different. But think about how many events happen every day that could potentially change the future of individuals, nations, etc., and multiply that by quadrillions and quadrillions. In other words, even if such thing exist, there would not be copies of us there. Too many variables.
Religious writer invented "planes" and such as part of the "gods of the gaps" systems. The gods used to be in the sky or underground or wherever people had a difficult time reaching. As we went to those places and found nothing, the religion creators moved the gods into "spiritual" locations that don't have a physical aspect. Since we can find no trace of supernatural beings anywhere now, religion creators say that those being are in a place that we can't get to. It's the same thing as telling people that the reason they don't see Santa Claus at the North Pole is that only the "pure of heart" can see him. He's really there, you're just not pure enough. 8->
Fred Askew
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