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Post by Roger (over and out) on Jan 7, 2014 14:58:16 GMT -5
AFGHANISTAN
In 2001 US forces invaded Afghanistan, ostensibly to hunt down Osama bin Laden, but in reality to seize control of the Caspian gas pipeline.
Until just a year before the 911 attacks, the US government had been negotiating with the Taliban (in Washington) for permission to access the pipeline. When talks broke down, the US government (the GW Bush administration, which acted for the major oil corporations) needed a pretext to invade Afghanistan. The 911 attacks provided the Bush administration with such a pretext.
Osama bin Laden - who had nothing at all to do with the 911 attacks - crossed the border into Afghanistan in the first months of the invasion. The CIA publicly acknowledged this at the time. Yet the occupation continued for more than a decade.
The occupation of Afghanistan had everything to do with seizing control of the Caspian pipeline and nothing at all to do with capturing Osama bin Laden.
And now, a decade later, Afghanistan is in a much worse state than it was when the US invaded.
IRAQ
In 2003 the US invaded Iraq, claiming that the Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein, was in possession of weapons of mass destruction - including nuclear weapons - which he was planning on using against the US.
War criminal Colin Powell gave a presentation to the UN, in which he showed satellite images on nuclear bunkers, surveillance photos of chemical weapons factories, Iraqi planes specially equipped to fire chemical weapons, mobile chemical weapons trucks etc.
President Bush - and various members of his administration - also implied that there was a link between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda, and that Saddam was involved in the 911 attacks.
None of this was true. There were no nuclear weapons in Iraq. No mobile chemical weapons trucks. No specially adapted planes. It was all a complete fabrication. And not only did Saddam Hussein not have links with al Qaeda, he was opposed to al Qaeda, and he despised Osama bin Laden.
The US invaded Iraq on the basis of an out-and-out lie. Again, the true motive was to seize control of Iraq's oil resources. US forces killed an estimated 250,000 innocent civilians in Iraq. And today, ten years later, the country is in an infinitely worse state than it was under Saddam.
This is why George W. Bush deserves to be tried as a traitor and shot. He, and his administration, exploited the 911 attacks to invade and occupy two countries that had NOTHING AT ALL to do with 911. His actions resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians, and thousands of US soldiers.
But not only that. In 2001, al Qaeda had virtually no support on the ground. It was a tiny group of fanatics with something like 100 members. Today, thanks to George W. Bush, al Qaeda has millions of supporters in the Arab and Muslim world, and tens of thousands of active fighters, all dedicated to America's destruction.
The US's so-called war on terror has achieved nothing good at all. It has simply resulted in death and devastation across the Middle East, and recruited millions of soldiers for radical Islamist groups like al Qaeda. Mainly thanks to GW Bush, radical Islam has become a global force.
Meanwhile there still has been no criminal investigation into the 911 attacks.
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Post by tricia on Jan 7, 2014 20:51:02 GMT -5
How do *you* KNOW that Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with 911?
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Post by Roger (over and out) on Jan 8, 2014 17:36:22 GMT -5
The dogs in the streets of the Arab world know that Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with 911. All the evidence points to 911 being a "false flag" operation carried out by Israeli Mossad.
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Post by tricia on Jan 8, 2014 21:56:35 GMT -5
I didn't ask a dog in the streets of the Arab world. I asked an Irish guy in Spain. What evidence is there that Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11?
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Post by Roger (over and out) on Jan 8, 2014 23:19:03 GMT -5
Never underestimate the dogs in the street. "What evidence is there that Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11?" Well, actually the question should be "What evidence is there that bin Laden had anything to do with 911?" - and the answer is, none. But I will give you several reasons why bin Laden wasn't involved. 1/ He said he wasn't involved. On the day of the attacks he categorically denied "having any hand or part" in them. In an interview he said: "I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act." Well, of course he might have been lying. But what reason would he have to lie? If the attacks were such a "great success", wouldn't you expect him to be bragging about them? The whole point of a terrorist attack is that it demonstrates the power of the group that carries it out. There's really no point in carrying out a terrorist attack if you are going to disown it. www.globalresearch.ca/interview-with-osama-bin-laden-denies-his-involvement-in-9-11/246972/ If Mossad or any US intelligence agency was involved in the attacks, then they could not have been carried out by Osama bin Laden. The reason bin Laden was named as the main suspect immediately after the attacks was because the passport of the head of the hijackers, Mohammed Atta - who was known to have links with bin Laden - was found by a passer-by a couple of blocks from the North WTC tower, and handed to a NYP police detective. Watch the video of the first plane crashing into the north tower and exploding in a fireball, and tell me whether you believe that the only identifiable item - in fact the only thing on that plane that could identify Atta - somehow left his pocket, survived the explosion, and fluttered down to the ground intact. And then tell me whether you believe that a "passer by" (people were running for their lives) just happened to spot Atta's artistically singed passport (among the tons of debris that littered the area), and handed it to a NYPD cop. Without giving his name, by the way. This is a ridiculous story. It didn't happen. Which means that someone at the WTC already had Atta's passport before the attacks happened, and they pretended to find the passport, which immediately pointed to Osama bin Laden as the main suspect. This was all carefully planned. 3/ Twenty minutes before the first plane crashed into the North WTC tower, five young men in a white van were seen acting suspiciously in New Jersey. They were setting up video cameras pointing towards the WTC. When the first plane crashed, they danced and cheered and gave each other high fives. Then they took photos of each other holding up a cigarette lighter with the burning tower in the background. They fled the scence before the police arrived. An alert was put out for the van, which had a 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back. The van was stopped just before crossing into New York, and the men were arrested. When FBI agents searched the van they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and fake passports. The men were all Israelis, employed by a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems. When FBI agents visited the company's offices a few days later, they found it abandoned. The owner, Dominick Suter, had fled to Israel. The FBI eventually discovered that the men were Israeli Mossad agents, and that Urban Moving Systems was a front operation. The men were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released on orders from the White House and flown back to Israel. Several months later three of the men were interviewed on Israeli TV. They were asked why they had been so happy when the WTC was attacked, and what they were doing there. One of the men replied: "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event." How did they know there would be an event to document? There are numerous other reasons for believing that Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with 911, and that the attacks were a false flag operation to provide the US with a pretext to establish a military presence in the Middle East.
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Post by rmarks1 on Jan 9, 2014 17:57:12 GMT -5
Zak, you only gave one link to support your claims and that link was to "global research." How reliable are they?
Bob
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Post by Roger (over and out) on Jan 9, 2014 18:22:13 GMT -5
If you are referring to Osama bin Laden's denial of involvement in the attacks, this was reported extensively in the media here in Europe (Google "Osama bin Laden denies involvement in 911 attacks" and you will find hundreds of references to his denial). It was not, as far as I know, carried in the US media. Bin Laden gave several interviews shortly after 911, denying involvement. Only one, to my knowledge - on Al Jazeera - was reported by the mainstream media in the US. edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/Interview with Osama bin Laden. Denies his Involvement in 9/11 Full text of Pakistani paper's Sept 2001 "exclusive" interview www.globalresearch.ca/interview-with-osama-bin-laden-denies-his-involvement-in-9-11/24697
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Post by rmarks1 on Jan 9, 2014 21:14:39 GMT -5
If you are referring to Osama bin Laden's denial of involvement in the attacks, this was reported extensively in the media here in Europe (Google "Osama bin Laden denies involvement in 911 attacks" and you will find hundreds of references to his denial). It was not, as far as I know, carried in the US media. Bin Laden gave several interviews shortly after 911, denying involvement. Only one, to my knowledge - on Al Jazeera - was reported by the mainstream media in the US. edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/Interview with Osama bin Laden. Denies his Involvement in 9/11 Full text of Pakistani paper's Sept 2001 "exclusive" interview www.globalresearch.ca/interview-with-osama-bin-laden-denies-his-involvement-in-9-11/24697Well at least you give a credible source here, CNN. However, 3 years after the 9/11 attacks, bin Laden said he was responsible. And here's another source. Bob
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Post by Roger (over and out) on Jan 10, 2014 0:18:54 GMT -5
The video footage in which "bin Laden" accepts blame for 911 was dismissed as fake both by people who knew bin Laden and by video experts who examined it. In fact if you look at it you will see that it is very bad quality fakemanship.
In the only authenticated interviews with bin Laden - to the Pakistani media and to al Jazeera - he categorically denies any involvement or foreknowledge of the 911 attacks. These interviews were given within days and weeks of the attacks. It is clear to anyone who reads them or listens to them with an open mind that bin Laden was wrong-footed by the attacks, and by the accusation that he was responsible.
Again, it would make no sense at all for bin Laden to deny responsibility if he really had been involved. On the contrary he would have immediately claimed responsibility for such a spectacular "coup" (before some other group claimed responsibility), and would have had a press release and/or video prepared, justifying the attacks. Think about it. If bin Laden was responsible for 911, it would have been for nothing if he did not immediately claim responsibility. In the event, he was blamed by the US government. The whole point of carrying out a terrorist attack is to demonstrate your ability to do so, and to use the resulting media coverage to air your grievances and political demands.
Incidentally, the FBI never believed bin Laden was involved, and did not name him as a suspect.
PS - I believe that the people who planned and carried out the 911 attacks expected Osama bin Laden, or al Qaeda, to claim responsibility, or at least not to deny responsibility. It must have been disconcerting for them when he immediately issued a denial. But of course by then the Bush Administration had effectively taken control of the mainstream media and were blocking the publication of any facts that did not conform to their agenda. Thus, bin Laden's denials were widely publicized throughout the world, but suppressed in the US.
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Post by tricia on Jan 10, 2014 11:50:51 GMT -5
Well this is slightly off topic but not really...do you believe Osama bin Laden is really dead and that US is responsible? For whatever reason I do not believe he is and if he is I don't I have a feeling he didn't die the way they're claiming he did.
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Post by rmarks1 on Jan 10, 2014 15:15:16 GMT -5
The video footage in which "bin Laden" accepts blame for 911 was dismissed as fake both by people who knew bin Laden and by video experts who examined it. In fact if you look at it you will see that it is very bad quality fakemanship. In the only authenticated interviews with bin Laden - to the Pakistani media and to al Jazeera - he categorically denies any involvement or foreknowledge of the 911 attacks. These interviews were given within days and weeks of the attacks. It is clear to anyone who reads them or listens to them with an open mind that bin Laden was wrong-footed by the attacks, and by the accusation that he was responsible. Again, it would make no sense at all for bin Laden to deny responsibility if he really had been involved. On the contrary he would have immediately claimed responsibility for such a spectacular "coup" (before some other group claimed responsibility), and would have had a press release and/or video prepared, justifying the attacks. Think about it. If bin Laden was responsible for 911, it would have been for nothing if he did not immediately claim responsibility. In the event, he was blamed by the US government. The whole point of carrying out a terrorist attack is to demonstrate your ability to do so, and to use the resulting media coverage to air your grievances and political demands. Incidentally, the FBI never believed bin Laden was involved, and did not name him as a suspect. PS - I believe that the people who planned and carried out the 911 attacks expected Osama bin Laden, or al Qaeda, to claim responsibility, or at least not to deny responsibility. It must have been disconcerting for them when he immediately issued a denial. But of course by then the Bush Administration had effectively taken control of the mainstream media and were blocking the publication of any facts that did not conform to their agenda. Thus, bin Laden's denials were widely publicized throughout the world, but suppressed in the US. Okay. All that's needed now is links from reputable sources to support those claims. Bob
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Post by Roger (over and out) on Jan 10, 2014 16:38:20 GMT -5
Oh puhleeze! The "raid to assassinate Osama bin Laden" was pure fiction. None of that actually happened. When the story of the raid on Osama's compound came out I thought, "Surely they don't really expect people to believe this crap? They must think people are idiots!" But, of course, the sad truth is that people ARE idiots. And most people - or at least most Americans (who persist in believing what their government tells them even though it lies to them every day) - did believe it. So they assassinated Osama (just when Obama's popularity ratings needed a boost), concealed his body in a blanket, rushed him to an aircraft carrier and BURIED HIM AT SEA "in line with Islamic tradition"! Preposterous. Apart from anything else, burial at sea is contrary to Islamic tradition. So here they have the head of al Qaeda - the supposed mastermind behind 911 and the head of a global terrorist network - cornered in a room, but instead of capturing him and "debriefing" him (he knew everything they needed to know, if he was what they said he was!), they killed him and immediately disposed of his body! This whole story was 100% sausage filling from start to finish. And then, to prove that the man at the house was bin Laden, they released a videotape, purportedly showing bin Laden watching himself on TV. Except that the footage was OBVIOUSLY bogus, and the man in the video wasn't Osama bin Laden. The tape is here: This is such a bad fake it amazes me that even an idiot would fall for it. They claimed that this was part of a "home movie", found at the compound. Most people's home movies show people smiling or waving at the camera. But "bin Laden's" home movie purports to show him, filmed from behind, watching himself on TV. The thing is so obviously staged, it's laughable. Like bin Laden said "Take a video of me watching myself on TV. But take it from behind, from just the right angle that you can't quite see my face." The TV screen is faked! It has a different pixel quality (higher) than the rest of the video. And the TV is an old-fashioned tube/CRT set. When you film those TV screens with a camcorder you get an interference bar. But not on this screen. Fake! Fake! Fake! And bad quality fake, at that. Obviously a rushed job. Is the man in the video Osama bin Laden? Not unless he's had extensive plastic surgery carried out on his face. Here's a photo of bin Laden, and a still from the video. Different shaped nose. Different hairline. Different ears. (Duh!) This is some guy who vaguely resembled bin Laden. Probably the same guy they used in the other fake videos. The White House then released a photo purporting to show president Obama with members of his administration, watching a live feed of the raid. Here's the photo. The only problem with this photo is that it was STAGED the day AFTER bin Laden was supposedly killed. In fact - as the CIA was forced to admit - there was no live link to the raid. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8493391/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Blackout-during-raid-on-bin-Laden-compound.htmlI don't know who, if anyone was killed in that raid (if in fact there was a raid). What I am 100% sure of is that this whole story is bullshit from start to finish. The story is fake, the video is fake, the press photos are fake. Bin Laden was - and most Americans are not aware of this - a CIA asset who used the name "Tim Osman". I personally believe that the CIA was in contact with bin Laden after the 911 attacks, and knew exactly where he was at all times. They certainly allowed him to escape into Pakistan when he was supposedly surrounded by US troops in the Bora Bora mountains of Afghanistan. It is possible that he died at some stage (he had serious kidney disease) and they had to "keep him alive" to justify the continued occupation of Afghanistan (this the faked videos). It is also possible that they did kill him at his compound, as he had outlived his usefulness. But the fact that his body was spirited away throws doubt on even that scenario.
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Post by Roger (over and out) on Jan 10, 2014 16:48:25 GMT -5
"Okay. All that's needed now is links from reputable sources to support those claims. Bob" Bob, that would exclude the entire US mainstream media. You think CNN is a reliable source. I regard CNN as a propaganda mouthpiece of the Pentagon. Also... you keep doing that; dismissing people's views when they don't include a link to some "authoritative" (in your opinion) website. It is possible, you know, to look at the facts and exercise one's own intelligence to arrive at a conclusion. PS - that bin Laden comparison photo displayed much smaller than the one I uploaded. Here's the full size. Check out bin Laden's nose and ear.
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Post by rmarks1 on Jan 10, 2014 21:25:30 GMT -5
"Okay. All that's needed now is links from reputable sources to support those claims. Bob" Bob, that would exclude the entire US mainstream media. You think CNN is a reliable source. I regard CNN as a propaganda mouthpiece of the Pentagon. Also... you keep doing that; dismissing people's views when they don't include a link to some "authoritative" (in your opinion) website. It is possible, you know, to look at the facts and exercise one's own intelligence to arrive at a conclusion. PS - that bin Laden comparison photo displayed much smaller than the one I uploaded. Here's the full size. Check out bin Laden's nose and ear. Uh, Zak. YOU gave a link to CNN in one of your posts above. I didn't. If, as you say, "CNN is nothing more than a propaganda mouthpiece of the Pentagon", why would you give them as a source? As for the photos you posted, I'm not an expert in photos so I don't know if your claim here is true or not. If you don't want to use USA media, there are plenty of reliable European sources you can use instead. Do you have information from credible sources to support what you say? Bob
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Post by Roger (over and out) on Jan 10, 2014 22:11:30 GMT -5
I posted a link to CNN because I know that YOU regard CNN as a reliable source. If I gave you a link to electronic intifada or al Jazeera you probably wouldn't take them seriously. As I said, the report was carried on numerous news websites and media channels. Do you doubt that Osama bin Laden denied responsibility for 911?
And you don't need to be an expert on photos to see that the facial features of the men in the photos above are not the same. Nor do you need to be an expert in anything to figure out that the only reason anyone would make a video of "bin Laden" watching himself on TV is to try to persuade people that the man IS bin Laden.
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Post by rmarks1 on Jan 10, 2014 23:07:55 GMT -5
I posted a link to CNN because I know that YOU regard CNN as a reliable source. If I gave you a link to electronic intifada or al Jazeera you probably wouldn't take them seriously. As I said, the report was carried on numerous news websites and media channels. Do you doubt that Osama bin Laden denied responsibility for 911? And you don't need to be an expert on photos to see that the facial features of the men in the photos above are not the same. Nor do you need to be an expert in anything to figure out that the only reason anyone would make a video of "bin Laden" watching himself on TV is to try to persuade people that the man IS bin Laden. When did I ever say that I regarded CNN as a reliable source? I didn't because I don't. I've never given a link to CNN in any of my posts. It's been over 50 years and we still don't know the truth about the JFK assassination. The same will be the case for the 9/11 attack. All we have for events like these is speculation, and speculation, while interesting, is not fact. Bob Marks
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Post by tricia on Jan 11, 2014 1:18:41 GMT -5
Oh puhleeze! The "raid to assassinate Osama bin Laden" was pure fiction. None of that actually happened. When the story of the raid on Osama's compound came out I thought, "Surely they don't really expect people to believe this crap? They must think people are idiots!" But, of course, the sad truth is that people ARE idiots. And most people - or at least most Americans (who persist in believing what their government tells them even though it lies to them every day) - did believe it. So they assassinated Osama (just when Obama's popularity ratings needed a boost), concealed his body in a blanket, rushed him to an aircraft carrier and BURIED HIM AT SEA "in line with Islamic tradition"! Preposterous. Apart from anything else, burial at sea is contrary to Islamic tradition. So here they have the head of al Qaeda - the supposed mastermind behind 911 and the head of a global terrorist network - cornered in a room, but instead of capturing him and "debriefing" him (he knew everything they needed to know, if he was what they said he was!), they killed him and immediately disposed of his body! This whole story was 100% sausage filling from start to finish. And then, to prove that the man at the house was bin Laden, they released a videotape, purportedly showing bin Laden watching himself on TV. Except that the footage was OBVIOUSLY bogus, and the man in the video wasn't Osama bin Laden. The tape is here: This is such a bad fake it amazes me that even an idiot would fall for it. They claimed that this was part of a "home movie", found at the compound. Most people's home movies show people smiling or waving at the camera. But "bin Laden's" home movie purports to show him, filmed from behind, watching himself on TV. The thing is so obviously staged, it's laughable. Like bin Laden said "Take a video of me watching myself on TV. But take it from behind, from just the right angle that you can't quite see my face." The TV screen is faked! It has a different pixel quality (higher) than the rest of the video. And the TV is an old-fashioned tube/CRT set. When you film those TV screens with a camcorder you get an interference bar. But not on this screen. Fake! Fake! Fake! And bad quality fake, at that. Obviously a rushed job. Is the man in the video Osama bin Laden? Not unless he's had extensive plastic surgery carried out on his face. Here's a photo of bin Laden, and a still from the video. Different shaped nose. Different hairline. Different ears. (Duh!) This is some guy who vaguely resembled bin Laden. Probably the same guy they used in the other fake videos. The White House then released a photo purporting to show president Obama with members of his administration, watching a live feed of the raid. Here's the photo. The only problem with this photo is that it was STAGED the day AFTER bin Laden was supposedly killed. In fact - as the CIA was forced to admit - there was no live link to the raid. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8493391/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Blackout-during-raid-on-bin-Laden-compound.htmlI don't know who, if anyone was killed in that raid (if in fact there was a raid). What I am 100% sure of is that this whole story is bullshit from start to finish. The story is fake, the video is fake, the press photos are fake. Bin Laden was - and most Americans are not aware of this - a CIA asset who used the name "Tim Osman". I personally believe that the CIA was in contact with bin Laden after the 911 attacks, and knew exactly where he was at all times. They certainly allowed him to escape into Pakistan when he was supposedly surrounded by US troops in the Bora Bora mountains of Afghanistan. It is possible that he died at some stage (he had serious kidney disease) and they had to "keep him alive" to justify the continued occupation of Afghanistan (this the faked videos). It is also possible that they did kill him at his compound, as he had outlived his usefulness. But the fact that his body was spirited away throws doubt on even that scenario. Yeah, my very first thought when I heard that he was *found* and killed was "bullshit". Then when all the details came out it just was so ridiculously stupid to me. First of all they would not have immediately disposed of his body...then to say they buried him at sea because it was Islamic tradition-like they would give a shit about honoring the beliefs of a man who was the mastermind of murdering 3000+ people. Maybe they had just had sensitivity training that week or something. I didn't and don't know exactly *why* they made that whole story up. I mean, I have theories of why I *think* they may have made it up but even without knowing that whole story, for me it was like when you're speaking to someone and they tell you something and you *know* they're lying. You don't know why they're lying because it's usually something really stupid they're lying about but you know what they're saying is bullshit. I'm usually pretty good at that-just knowing something isn't true when I hear it. I do think he may have died but I think it was as you said, most likely from being sick.
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Post by joan on Jan 11, 2014 11:03:13 GMT -5
Pure conjecture Tricia, Zak. & Tricia, at least Zak is attempting to give evidence. You're just stating your opinion. While I love to read your opinions, it's not evidential.
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Post by Roger (over and out) on Jan 11, 2014 12:05:28 GMT -5
Well, not exactly pure conjecture, Joan, more logical deduction. The CIA publicly admitted that the "live feed" of the raid on bin Laden's house never happened, and that the photo of Obama and his aides was staged after the fact. So we know for a fact that they lied about that. And why would they do that if they had nothing to hide?
We also know for a fact that it is not "in keeping with Muslim tradition" to bury someone at sea (in fact it is contrary to Muslim teaching). And we know that they killed several other Muslims at the compound, yet they left these bodies where they fell.
We know for a fact that bin Laden denied any involvement in the 911 attacks. That is significant. And we know that his denial was largely kept out of US media reports.
We also know for a fact that bin Laden was a former CIA asset who had spent time in the US and even visited the White House to request covert funding and top-level combat weaponry (which he was given) to fight the Russians in Afghanistan (and the object of the exercise here was to prevent the Russians from gaining control of the Caspian gas pipeline). So bin Laden had a "history" with the CIA and the US government. Murky waters.
What is clear and undeniable is that the George W Bush and his henchmen lied repeatedly to the American people and exploited the 911 attacks to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. And they lied about the 911 attacks themselves. GW Bush did his level best to block an investigation into the attacks. To this day there has been no criminal investigation into the attacks.
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Post by tricia on Jan 11, 2014 13:58:28 GMT -5
Pure conjecture Tricia, Zak. & Tricia, at least Zak is attempting to give evidence. You're just stating your opinion. While I love to read your opinions, it's not evidential. Oh, it is *totally* just my opinion. But I have to say that's it is so much so my opinion that I never even bothered to look up or find any evidence to support it because it was, in my opinion, so obvious a lie that I didn't even bother to waste my time. I don't know why I feel that way, I just do. I have listened to lots of *stories* in my life...you've heard about my kids, right? lol I've always found that when someone tells a story that doesn't make sense it's usually because A)They're changing parts of that story to benefit themselves or B)They're completely making the story up to support an actual event that did happen in order to justify it. In this case, without digging way in to the story because as I said, I feel like it's a waste of time...but if I had to guess, I would say that Osama Bin Laden *did* die. The U.S. powers that be knew about it and how it really happened and then made up the story about them being responsible and immediately disposing of his body. The reason for the immediate disposal of a body, I would guess, would be because you don't HAVE one. I mean, I guess their story *could* be true but my immediate reaction to what I saw and heard on the news regarding that whole thing was "Yeah, okay." I just have always trusted my instincts when someone tells me something or I'm listening to a story and my immediate instinct is almost always right...unfortunately, sometimes I ignore it and try and go with what it is I'd *like* to be the truth or because it's easier but it never makes what is really true any different. PS-Editing to ask how come the quote of Joan's I put in my post has a line going thru it like it's crossed out? I must have hit something weird when I copied it?
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