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Post by Roger (over and out) on Dec 20, 2013 13:42:41 GMT -5
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Post by rmarks1 on Dec 20, 2013 14:17:35 GMT -5
So what's the punishment? Locking people up in a prison with people of the same gender. Isn't that self-defeating? Bob
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 14:21:17 GMT -5
Yes, good point. It's one thing to have a personal opinion about something controversial as gay rights, but when a person has influence over millions of viewers they have responsiblity in what they put out to the public. Saying nasty and bigoted things in one's private life is one thing, but to say creepy things under the guise of religion out there for already uptight self-righteous individual is harmful and dangerous. Does anyone not remember the violence that gays are targeted for? And you folks that worry about children, how about what the children who are themselves gay or live with gay parents, what they have to put up with in this era of unrestrained bullyng and worse? This Robertson creep is giving permission to bullies and little minded people to do what they want--no questions asked. You say oh he would not disrepect anyone. Really? He already has, in case you haven't noticed. So what's another dead homosexual, riight? No loss, right?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 14:24:07 GMT -5
So what's the punishment? Locking people up in a prison with people of the same gender. Isn't that self-defeating? Bob If anything proves that your thinking is from another planet, this is it.
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Post by tricia on Dec 20, 2013 15:07:54 GMT -5
Great! I'm sure Phil Robertson will be pleased as I'm sure this is exactly what he had in mind for people who are gay. Nevermind the fact that he was just saying what he believes due to his religion and reiterated the fact that NO ONE should be treated badly or disrespected because they believe or are different than him. I'm quite sure that translates in to "I hate them all and they should be jailed for life." No, THIS is what happens when you have uneducated MORONS in charge. Do you not get the fact that a person can disagree with something and/or believe differently without hatred?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 15:15:30 GMT -5
Phil Robertson has nothing against gays or those in the same category who practice bestialiy, except of course they will not get to heaven. Which leaves where? Huh? Real nice of the guy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 15:24:06 GMT -5
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Post by tricia on Dec 20, 2013 15:36:38 GMT -5
Phil Robertson has nothing against gays or those in the same category who practice bestialiy, except of course they will not get to heaven. Which leaves where? Huh? Real nice of the guy. But Lily, he believes the bible and what it says and that's what it says. He was simply quoting it. It's not for him to judge or punish or treat someone poorly because of it and he basically said this. He said God loves everyone. Everyone sins and one sin is just as bad as the next in God's eyes so if that's the case no one would be going anywhere but straight to hell that's why they're forgiven.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 15:46:41 GMT -5
Tricia, not every Christian takes the Bible the way he has. If he did, then if his child disrepected him he'd have to kill his child. That's in the Bible among many, many things I bet he doesn't follow. Please don't allow someone to take refuge in the Bible to justify their predjudices. There are many like him, unfortunately. I love how he said how he's happy killing things. The man's an abomination. You can defend him all you want, but it doesn't mean we have to like it. Even if I was the only one on this board saying, so I would. You feel you are correct and every one of us that don't think the same are just wrong and petty. I personally know of Christian demoninations that don't think the same Robertson does. So which is right? It's a choice, that's what it is. And you've made your choice in defending a man who I'm sorry to contradict you, who defintely has hate in his heart.
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… how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye"
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Post by joan on Dec 20, 2013 16:58:24 GMT -5
You do know it was the Death Penalty that was being called for. I guess they think they are being progressive. As for You, Bob: "So what's the punishment? Locking people up in a prison with people of the same gender. Isn't that self-defeating?"
Prison is not a beach resort in Aruba, especially in Uganda. It's severe punishment with wormy food & hard labor & early death after a miserable life. I'm guessing you thought you were being funny & your joke fell flat.
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Post by joan on Dec 20, 2013 17:01:21 GMT -5
Phil Robertson has nothing against gays or those in the same category who practice bestialiy, except of course they will not get to heaven. Which leaves where? Huh? Real nice of the guy. I saw today on TV Sarah Palin coming to Phil's defense by quoting a woman friend of hers who " happens to be gay". Sure, it just "happens." Yeah, any lesbian wants to be friends with Sarah Palin. & she is never challenged, no one on TV news is, for the absurdity of their remarks. Oh, well, gave me a good laugh.
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Post by debutante on Dec 20, 2013 18:36:53 GMT -5
Well, let's just put this in perspective, shall we?
There are SO MANY OTHER causes far more worthy of such passion as far as I am concerned.
I get infuriated at the massive amounts of press devoted to the "gay issue" when autistic children (who have serious problems through no choice of their own) are virtually ignored. Where is the passion for them?
What about families who struggle with Alzheimer elderly care? I don't any passion for seeing that some system is put into place to give caregivers a break after 24/7 slugging away in the trenchs.
How about our wounded vets? They get crippled protecting our freedom and I don't see the passion for them.
What I do see is a hell of a lot of passion over sex acts.
Seriously?
To paraphrase a literary character: "You need to sort out your priorities."
--Debutante
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Post by Roger (over and out) on Dec 20, 2013 19:06:28 GMT -5
It isn't about sex acts. It's about equality for minorities. In this instance a minority that has been discriminated against and victimized since way back. And anti gay propagandists have always cited passages from the Bible to justify their views (which is ironic, since Jesus was almost certainly gay). This issue has no bearing at all on the issues you mentioned.
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Post by debutante on Dec 20, 2013 19:24:14 GMT -5
Dear Zak:
Baloney! Pick up any newspaper and count the articles devoted to "gay" issues as compared to autism, Alzheimer's disease, and crippled veterans.
The only reason this seems "important" to you is that you've bought into the newspapers TELLING YOU how important it is.
There's an old saying that "squeaky wheels get the most grease." Since autistic children, and Alzheimer's patients can't speak for themselves (and their families are too exhausted to do so) -- nobody is all that concerned about their rights. And since there's no controversy in illness -- it won't sell papers. So they're not going to get the press.
Are you suggesting that autism and Alzheimer's disease don't go "way back"? They go back EVERY BIT AS FAR as this gay issue. And I want to know WHERE IS THE PASSION for the rights of these people?
And what about the military who have given limbs and eyes in the service of their country? WHERE IS THE PASSION for them?
But no, society thinks it's far more important to focus on playtime for wee-wees and hoohas? Seriously?
The SEVERITY OF THE PROBLEM should have every bearing on WHAT WE AS A SOCIETY FIND IMPORTANT. The fact that you don't seem to see this, illustrates my point.
Screwing preferences doesn't deserve to rate the same attention as crippled and ill people. It's an issue of priorities.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 19:34:25 GMT -5
When it's straight couples, it all about love. When it's gay couples, it's all about sex and body parts. Whose minds are where exactly, if that's all certain folks can think of? And don't tell me gay sex is all over the media. If it is, then those folks are looking for it. So again, whose minds are where exactly? I suggest coming up for air now and then.
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Post by debutante on Dec 20, 2013 19:52:06 GMT -5
Dear Lily:
It most certainly IS all over the media. Especially lately when the issue of gay marriage is a state by state thing. Not to mention, all the effort people are putting into seeing this brought about.
WHERE IS THE EFFORT TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF THE HANDICAPPED? I don't see a state by state effort to improve their lives.
Why don't people devote their time, energy, and that glorious passion toward improving the lives of people who are most deserving of help because they have actual physical limitations?
Sex is only sex, and that goes for both straights and gays. Love is something altogether different.
Wee-wee and hooha playtime preferences is not as important as the handicapped.
--Debutante
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 19:59:08 GMT -5
What time are you talking about? How is legislation taking away from other causes? Show me. Is your time being taken away from you? What effort is being taken away? What effort is being directed away from other causes? Please list specific examples. Strawman, Deb.
No, for you, gay relationships are only about sex. That is........take your pick of adjectives.
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Post by Roger (over and out) on Dec 20, 2013 20:23:26 GMT -5
"Baloney! Pick up any newspaper and count the articles devoted to "gay" issues as compared to autism, Alzheimer's disease, and crippled veterans."
I don't agree at all. Autism and Alzheimer's have received copious media coverage, far more than gay rights. In fact you can hardly open a newspaper without seeing an article dealing with one or both of these issues.
And the point is, these are disorders for which there is no specific medical cure. The government can't pass legislation to abolish autism or Alzheimer's disease. Comparing these with a human rights issue is like comparing apples with size ten boots. There's no connection at all. Everyone who's affected by a specific issue feels that it isn't receiving enough attention. Depressives, victims of violence, deaf people, families of the victims of 911, dyslexics, homeless people - there are thousands of groups and worthy causes that don't, in their view, get enough recognition/support/media attention/funding/compensation or whatever.
The fact that you equate homosexuality with "sex acts" shows that you regard it as a lifestyle choice.
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Post by debutante on Dec 20, 2013 20:25:17 GMT -5
Dear Lily:
Okay -- so you're saying that a person MUST have sex with a particular person in order to call it love? Then, your definition of love is tied to body parts.
I love my husband and we have a husband/wife relationship
However, once I love someone -- I love them forever. There's very little they can do that will make me change my mind. So -- I also love my ex-fiancé very much. I have never slept with him. And I never would. But that doesn't make all the qualities that make him who he is any less wonderful. And he would tell you the same thing in regard to me. Because LOVE isn't about wee-wees and hoohahs. It's about recognizing the qualities inherent in a person that make that person who they are. Body parts are simply body parts.
Strawman is just bullshit designation to avoid looking at what is really there. Are you actually trying to tell me that someone who is blind (for example) has an equal problem to someone who wants everyone to accept their wee-wee and hooha preferences?
Seriously?
All bullshit arguing techniques aside -- the blind man has a real problem -- he can't see and needs help. The other person has a bruised ego because their lifestyle isn't being applauded by everyone.
To me, it's a non-contest as to which person deserves my attention.
As to specific examples -- look in any newspaper and count the articles -- try today's CNN. Are there any articles on "gay rights"? Yes, many in fact. Are there any articles on rights for the handicapped? No. (Why am I not surprised?) Go on any Facebook page and count how many people who have put up a "pro-gay" red avatar. Why isn't there any avatar for pro-handicapped rights?
Where is the passion for the handicapped? For the Alzheimer's families? For the disabled vets? This society is more interested in sex playtime and frankly it's beyond absurd.
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Post by debutante on Dec 20, 2013 20:33:19 GMT -5
Dear Zak:
Really? So you think all this focus on "gay rights" doesn't come at a hefty price tag in terms of legislative time -- not to mention private funding to bring it about by corporations (who want to be politically correct)?
IS it possible that this time and money applied to wee-wee and hooha playtime preferences could be better applied to people who actually have a problem?
Seriously?
Again, it's a matter of priorities. I would much rather see corporations fund support systems for families who take care of Alzheimer's patients 24/7 than fund lobbying for playtime.
--Debutante
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Post by Roger (over and out) on Dec 20, 2013 20:33:24 GMT -5
"Why isn't there any avatar for pro-handicapped rights?"
Handicapped people have the same rights as everyone else. What you're asking for are special privileges for handicapped people, which is fine, but it's not the same thing as minorities demanding their basic rights. You are not comparing like with like, and one does not detract from the other. Lily is right. You're putting up a strawman argument.
And by the way, there are just as many gay handicapped people per capita as there are able-bodied people. It isn't a matter of allocating resources to either gays or handicapped people. Being handicapped doesn't mean being heterosexual. Gay people get Alzheimer's, too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 20:41:08 GMT -5
Dear Zak: Really? So you think all this focus on "gay rights" doesn't come at a hefty price tag in terms of legislative time -- not to mention private funding to bring it about by corporations (who want to be politically correct)? IS it possible that this time and money applied to wee-wee and hooha playtime preferences could be better applied to people who actually have a problem? Seriously? Again, it's a matter of priorities. I would much rather see corporations fund support systems for families who take care of Alzheimer's patients 24/7 than fund lobbying for playtime. --Debutante You are offensive.
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Post by debutante on Dec 20, 2013 20:45:58 GMT -5
Dear Zak:
It isn't about arguing techniques. That's the part you don't "get".
It's common sense. The focus of this society is on a PREFERENCE that is truly unimportant in the face of other issues. If that doesn't strike you as being weird, I don't know how to help you.
I just named a few issues off the top of my head. There are many others. I RESENT the time and money that is spent on complete silliness when people who really need help are being ignored. But most of all I resent the PASSION that is invested in this gay issue by people who could use that PASSION to bring an easier life to people who are barely hanging on by their fingernails.
My son is okay -- we're past the worst. But wouldn't it be nice if all that PASSION was devoted to helping Tricia's granddaughter? There's the rub, right there. Right there. Take another look at her granddaughter's picture and then tell me legislation should focus on gay preferences.
Seriously?
Multiply that by countless autism families, Alzheimer families, crippled vets -- how can you not see it?
--Debutante
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Post by debutante on Dec 20, 2013 20:47:35 GMT -5
Dear Lily:
It's a matter of perspective. I find the PASSION for gay rights and the APATHY for the handicapped to be FAR MORE OFFENSIVE.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 20:49:53 GMT -5
That has nothing to do with each other. That is a ridiculous argument. In that case why not say that all the money and passion for heart disease is taking away from cancer research? Do you see how silly that sounds?
Who has apathy for the handicapped. Have you not noticed the ADA legislation?
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Post by debutante on Dec 20, 2013 20:50:58 GMT -5
Dear Lily:
Yes that does sound ridiculous because BOTH ARE IMPORTANT.
Sex playtime preferences ARE NOT.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 20:52:02 GMT -5
THAT'S APPLES AND ORANGES!!! DO YOU THINK WE'RE THAT STUPID!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 20:53:05 GMT -5
STOP!!! I'm not continuing with this ridiculous argument.
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Post by debutante on Dec 20, 2013 20:54:29 GMT -5
Dear Lily:
No -- I think you think sex playtime practices are important because the newspapers told you so.
But if you really want to put your PASSION to good use -- pick up your sword and fight for kids like Tricia's granddaughter.
That little girl doesn't have a "preference" to be autistic.
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Post by debutante on Dec 20, 2013 21:09:33 GMT -5
"Why isn't there any avatar for pro-handicapped rights?" Handicapped people have the same rights as everyone else. What you're asking for are special privileges for handicapped people, which is fine, but it's not the same thing as minorities demanding their basic rights. You are not comparing like with like, and one does not detract from the other. Lily is right. You're putting up a strawman argument. And by the way, there are just as many gay handicapped people per capita as there are able-bodied people. It isn't a matter of allocating resources to either gays or handicapped people. Being handicapped doesn't mean being heterosexual. Gay people get Alzheimer's, too. Dear Zak: Notice I keep using the word PASSION? People will get all hot under the collar about gay rights and fight to the death for playtime preferences. Whatever the handicapped get -- well, it's rather too little, too late, and given grudgingly. I don't see PASSION for their cause and that's why I think this demonstrates the total absurdity of our society. And I really do RESENT the fact that such PASSION is expended on something as insignificant as wee-wee and hooha playtime. I would truly like to see all the people in this string pick up their swords and fight for people who truly can't help themselves and NEED A VOICE. Such PASSION would be a godsend to those who can't speak for themselves. --Debutante
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