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Post by debutante on Mar 26, 2020 13:29:23 GMT -5
--Debutante
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Post by mikkel on Mar 26, 2020 13:43:06 GMT -5
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Post by debutante on Mar 26, 2020 13:56:22 GMT -5
Highly edited "fake news." Yawn. By the way, notice how the Dem governors are trying to stop off prescription drug usage to raise the death toll? Like I said :NO MORAL COMPASS --Debutante
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Post by mikkel on Mar 26, 2020 14:13:51 GMT -5
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Post by mikkel on Mar 26, 2020 14:14:35 GMT -5
Highly edited "fake news." Yawn. By the way, notice how the Dem governors are trying to stop off prescription drug usage to raise the death toll? Like I said :NO MORAL COMPASS --Debutante I hope you are well. Mikkel
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Post by debutante on Mar 26, 2020 14:54:54 GMT -5
I'm fine. I almost never leave my house due to a knee injury years ago that give me problems. So, it's extremely unlikely I would get exposed unless through a family member. They're both medically trained -- and have protective equipment access -- so it is unlikely.
I hope you are also well.
I'm only irritated at the Dem governors because if the docs are somehow covered and willing to write the scripts and the patients are surviving -- they should get the hell out of the way and let lives be saved. To ban off script usage to play political games when people are being saved because of it is just plain murder.
--Debutante
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Post by debutante on Mar 26, 2020 16:46:51 GMT -5
Because sometimes we just need something to give us a reason to smile...
This amuses me and gives a welcome break from worrying about everything.
--DEbutante
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Post by mikkel on Mar 27, 2020 7:06:57 GMT -5
I'm fine. I almost never leave my house due to a knee injury years ago that give me problems. So, it's extremely unlikely I would get exposed unless through a family member. They're both medically trained -- and have protective equipment access -- so it is unlikely. I hope you are also well. I'm only irritated at the Dem governors because if the docs are somehow covered and willing to write the scripts and the patients are surviving -- they should get the hell out of the way and let lives be saved. To ban off script usage to play political games when people are being saved because of it is just plain murder. --Debutante Explain more please. Mikkel
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Post by debutante on Mar 27, 2020 16:13:06 GMT -5
Oh -- not surprised that the globalist European news sources aren't telling you the truth. Physicians who are willing to prescribe the (off label) drugs that are proving to successfully cure those afflicted with the Corona virus are being threatened by some Democratic governors. These bad actors are essentially refusing to allow their constituents life saving treatment. Why? Because by successfully treating the Cornona virus it gives Trump a political "win" in the sense that he appear to have successfully handled the problem by mobilizing the cutting of red tape. I suspect these docs willing to go off label may be covered under his "right to try" act after all. These governors are exactly what the video below pegs them to be.
--Debutante
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Post by mikkel on Mar 27, 2020 16:48:02 GMT -5
Oh -- not surprised that the globalist European news sources aren't telling you the truth. Physicians who are willing to prescribe the (off label) drugs that are proving to successfully cure those afflicted with the Corona virus are being threatened by some Democratic governors. These bad actors are essentially refusing to allow their constituents life saving treatment. Why? Because by successfully treating the Cornona virus it gives Trump a political "win" in the sense that he appear to have successfully handled the problem by mobilizing the cutting of red tape. I suspect these docs willing to go off label may be covered under his "right to try" act after all. These governors are exactly what the video below pegs them to be. --Debutante Links to actual medical reports of treatment please.
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Post by debutante on Mar 27, 2020 17:58:30 GMT -5
Specify what it is you want. Most of what's available are reports of patients being cured by off label usage of a drug used for the treatment of malaria. There aren't long term scientific studies regarding the use of this drug as a specific treatment for Corona virus. Nevertheless, it reportedly works and is being banned by certain Dem governors for political reasons.
I'll try to find some articles for you after I make dinner and serve the family.
--Debutante
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Post by debutante on Mar 27, 2020 18:16:02 GMT -5
I forgot my brother sent me this link a week ago. It should help answer some of your questions.
--Debutante
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Post by debutante on Mar 27, 2020 19:14:33 GMT -5
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Post by mikkel on Mar 28, 2020 9:07:29 GMT -5
Well, in the end what to do with that test is politics as you noted. The sample size is properly to small in connection to that fact that it was in fact a field trial and not a controlled test. I bet you even M.D.s wouldn't agree about this means and what to do based on it. Regards Mikkel
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Post by debutante on Mar 28, 2020 12:22:34 GMT -5
True. But it's the only game in town, so to speak. If that's all you have and your patient is going to shake hands with St. Peter -- a choice has to be made. Those choices are made by patients and physicians or family and physicians if the patient is not coherent.
I don't think a governor has any business sticking their nose in on a life and death decision he/she knows nothing about. If it's choice between death and an off label drug with a small test sample and my family member was the patient -- I would want to try to save them. I wouldn't want to just stand there and let them die because the off label drug sample wasn't large enough.
If the physician is willing to write a script off label and the patient or his family agrees to try it is a matter between them. It's highly unusual for a doc to write off label for anyone other than his/her own family. If they are doing it for this corona virus thing -- they are being heroic because off label scripts are not covered under malpractice insurance as a rule unless Trump has done something to give them coverage.
I do know my state has called for doctors and nurses to come out of retirement to help in case things get really bad. My husband will not be able to do this because of his recent bypass. Although being the way he is -- if things do get that bad -- I will have to force him to stay home because he thinks it is his job to save the world. He's a great doc. But he's earned the right to sit this one out.
-- Debutante
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Post by mikkel on Mar 28, 2020 13:19:05 GMT -5
True. But it's the only game in town, so to speak. If that's all you have and your patient is going to shake hands with St. Peter -- a choice has to be made. Those choices are made by patients and physicians or family and physicians if the patient is not coherent. I don't think a governor has any business sticking their nose in on a life and death decision he/she knows nothing about. If it's choice between death and an off label drug with a small test sample and my family member was the patient -- I would want to try to save them. I wouldn't want to just stand there and let them die because the off label drug sample wasn't large enough. If the physician is willing to write a script off label and the patient or his family agrees to try it is a matter between them. It's highly unusual for a doc to write off label for anyone other than his/her own family. If they are doing it for this corona virus thing -- they are being heroic because off label scripts are not covered under malpractice insurance as a rule unless Trump has done something to give them coverage. I do know my state has called for doctors and nurses to come out of retirement to help in case things get really bad. My husband will not be able to do this because of his recent bypass. Although being the way he is -- if things do get that bad -- I will have to force him to stay home because he thinks it is his job to save the world. He's a great doc. But he's earned the right to sit this one out. -- Debutante For once we agree. Mikkel
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