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Post by debutante on Oct 14, 2019 8:48:04 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
What do I think about the Kurds? I think that after generations of tribal warfare their issues are being prolonged by people enabling both sides.
Do I think young American men and women should die or be maimed because a bunch of primatives on the other side of the planet don't get along?
Just how does trillions of dollars spent and (not sure of the exact number) of American lives lost do anything to benefit the American people?
To me, this is a no brainer. IF committed to military action, we should INTEND TO WIN. You don't send troops in with rules of engagement which place them at a disadvantage like the Kenyan did.
I think everyone before Trump screwed up because they didn't go in with the intention to END THE PROBLEM.
Since the idiot liberals think you should fight a war without killing anybody -- in effect, all they really want to do is set up our troops up to be slaughtered.
It seems to me that Trump is doing the best thing. Since they won't ever let them win (as evidenced by the decades they've already been there)-- the best thing to do is bring the troops home to their families.
It will save American lives. It will save American money.
And any politician who disagrees -- I invite them to grab a weapon and go out there and fight with.the same stupid rules of engagement they forced upon our troops for so many years.
Trump is, in my estimation, a hero for putting an end to this farce. --Debutante
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Post by faskew on Oct 15, 2019 7:56:49 GMT -5
>Trump is, in my estimation, a hero for putting an end to this farce. ---Which would be nice, if it were true. But he promised 3 years ago to immediately bring the troops home and never did. What's the holdup? He's been supporting Saudi Arabia's attack on Iran-backed Yemen for years and continues to send even more US troops to that area. You're giving him credit for solving a problem when all he's done is make it worse. How much money has been wasted in the Middle East under Trump? I don't know for certain, but I expect that he's wasted at least as much as Obama and possibly even more. At any rate, US businesses have major investments in Saudi Arabia, including the Trump family, and they won't allow Trump to completely leave. Doesn't matter what he promised, he would personally lose money if we really pulled out, so he won't do it. It's all about the oil, and nothing else matters to our leaders.
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Post by debutante on Oct 15, 2019 8:53:36 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
You mean the oil we no longer need because we are energy independent since Trump took office? (Oh, how I love my President!)
Ah Fred -- the Democrats speak with forked tongue. First they scream, "no blood for oil." Then when we become the largest energy producers in the world (and thus able to tell the Middle East where to shove their oil) the Democrats scream that we need the "Green New Deal" to stop the very thing which made us free of the Middle East.
Seems to me what Democrats really want is the United States in a weakened position and dependent on the Middle East squeezing us, so that they can bitch and gain more power for themselves whilst simultaneously making the Republicans look like warmongers for oil. In other words, a return to the status quo and business as usual.
Isn't it SUCH a "coinkydink" that the push for "The New Green Deal" arrives just at the point where the USA achieves energy independence? Seriously? WE ARE NOT STUPID.
I don't think Trump is as worried about losing money as you seem to think he is -- he has lost money simply by taking the job as president. And because he knows he is "Trump" -- he has the confidence to believe that if the time comes when he needs more money-- he will know how to go about generating income.
He is (from my observation) a person who has his own set of rules that he lives by. He doesn't care whether you agree with him or not. In the final analysis, he needs to be able to live with his choices. He does not make them arbitrarily; nor without a contingency plan.
People who think he's changeable -- I suspect they totally miss that everything he does tends to deceptively simple. It usually turns out to have layers of complexity not apparent at a cursory view.
What appear to be "changes" in his attitudes are more akin to developmental stages in a larger plan that isn't always apparent to a casual observer (and perhaps not even to those who think they're "in the know").
You truly underestimate this man. Most people do, I think. He is extremely intelligent and also "street smart".
Considering that the Democrats and their co-conspirators in the "fake news" media have been consistently attempting to destroy this man since he declared his candidacy -- by this time, it should be apparent to even the totally dense that Trump is light years beyond them in terms of strategy.
They fail. They fail again. And now they are resorting to altered rules and clandestine interrogations in an attempt to achieve their goals.
I am not worried. They will fail again.
Trump is a flaming genius. They are idiots.
--Debutante
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Post by faskew on Oct 16, 2019 8:17:24 GMT -5
>You mean the oil we no longer need because we are energy independent since Trump took office? (Oh, how I love my President!) ---The US has been an oil exporter for many, many years, even under Obama. Nothing new. It’s our friends in Europe, Japan, etc., who are dependent on Middle East oil, although they are shifting to alternate fuels as fast as they can. Oh, and much of the oil in the Middle East is owned by US corporations, so there’s only so much the Saudis can do to mess with us, aside from nationalizing the US holdings there. Also, much of our oil independence comes from shifting away from fossil fuels and into other forms of energy, so we simply don't need as much oil as we used to.
>the Democrats scream that we need the "Green New Deal" to stop the very thing which made us free of the Middle East. ---Actually, we need to shift off fossil fuels because it’s killing the planet. The technology for better, non-polluting energy keeps improving. Several nations are already either totally fossil-fuel free or are getting close to it. Unfortunately, the fossil fuel corporations own Congress and are resisting the switch in the US. At any rate, we don’t really need as much oil or coal, and in a few years we may be not only free from overseas oil, but free from our own fossils fuels. There’s a little town east of Austin that already runs 100% of its city electricity and such off alternate energy. That city of the future does not use any oil or coal.
>he has lost money simply by taking the job as president. ---His salary may have gone down, but he’s making quite a bit off the office. He has paid himself something like $100 million tax dollars for golf trips to his resorts (rent for staff, secret service, etc.). Plus, rich Saudis, Russians, etc. have invested hundreds of millions in Trump’s various businesses in hopes of currying favor with him. You know, the kind of thing that he accused Hunter Biden of and that his daughter and son-in-law do almost every day. 8->
>You truly underestimate this man. Most people do, I think. He is extremely intelligent and also "street smart". ---Me, I think he’s "street smart" in a con artist sense, but pretty ignorant when it comes to US and international laws and politics. His management style is that of a bully, and he likes to humiliate his staff. One reason that he’s had a higher turnover of cabinet and staff members than any other president in history. He’s used to working with lesser folk, but, unfortunately for him, some of his appointees refuse to be bullied and are now turning on him. Again, he takes a calm situation and creates a problem from it. The Dems don’t have the power to do the damage to him that he does to himself.
----Different topic – Are you and I the only two people left on this list? Bob and MCans used to drop many posts per day arguing philosophy, but now it’s just Bob and he goes days at a time in silence. Not much reason to keep it going, I guess. 8-<
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Post by debutante on Oct 16, 2019 8:38:56 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
No -- Bob is still here and there seem to be lurkers in abundance. The strings have far too many views to account for just the three of us.
I see no reason to stop. I enjoy debating with you.
I'll answer you later today. I have a migraine-- allergy related, I think. These usually last a couple hours and I can't think straight when I get them.
Talk to you later.
--Debutante
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Post by rmarks1 on Oct 16, 2019 17:41:13 GMT -5
----Different topic – Are you and I the only two people left on this list? Bob and MCans used to drop many posts per day arguing philosophy, but now it’s just Bob and he goes days at a time in silence. Not much reason to keep it going, I guess. 8-<
Just taking a break Fred. I'm still here.
Bob
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Post by debutante on Oct 17, 2019 7:28:59 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
I had a long reply typed up and it derped. I don't have time this morning to retype it, but will try to do so late afternoon/early evening.
--Debutante
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Post by faskew on Oct 18, 2019 8:16:14 GMT -5
Things in the news have changed so much in the past couple of days, losing your write-up probably doesn't matter. You'd likely want to change it anyway. 8->
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Post by debutante on Oct 18, 2019 15:01:37 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
I'm a little behind on things due to stuff going haywire around here. It seems like nothing happens for months and then all of a sudden everything happens all at once. So, it's been complete chaos dealing with repairman, unscheduled emergency dental appointments and people "under the weather".
And if that's not bad enough, I was up most of the night because I had one of my nightmares. It spooked me enough to keep me awake from about 1AM onward.
It was both creepy and oddly thought provoking at the same time. I dreamed I was in a mausoleum on the...are you ready for this???
It was the day of the resurrection of the dead. They dead were all up and running around in a panic. I finally realized that they were simultaneously horrified to discover that they had died at some point in time and that now that they were "ressurected" --they were upset because they had no idea what they were supposed to do, where they were supposed to go, or if there was supposed to be someone "in charge " and they had missed the instructions.
I stood there watching the chaos around me and just wondering if I was dead too and just wasn't aware of the fact. Thankfully, I woke up at that point -- but I have to tell you that my husband wasn't pleased to have me bolt upright. At least I didn't scream this time.
But it did make me think -- how would reanimated corpses act if there was a ressurection? I bet my dream would be pretty close to the truth. Now who would even think to consider an issue like that (if not for a dream).
Anyhow, I am not thinking too straight today... I'm half asleep and hoping by tonight I'll forget how creeped out I was last night and will be able to get to sleep.
-- Debutante
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Post by faskew on Oct 19, 2019 8:59:53 GMT -5
Sounds pretty bad. My nightmares are mostly anxiety dreams. I'm late for a college class and I can't remember where the classroom is. So I rush around through different buildings trying to remember. That sort of thing. Disturbs rest, but no lasting effect.
I would imagine that most reanimated corpses wouldn't know that they had died. And most would wake in a graveyard somewhere, among other confused folk, wondering where they were and how they got there. Throw in clothing - some would be in fresh clothing while others would be in varying stages of nude (clothing rotted away) and that just adds to the chaos.
Of course, a benign deity would install full knowledge in the newbies so as to avoid the terror and chaos that a sudden awakening would produce.
And then there's the whole problem of what to do with all the "wrong-believers". Currently only about 30% of living humans are Christians and they are divided into anywhere from 200-2000 different denominations, each mostly believing that all the other Christians are doomed to hell. So essentially at least 90% of all living humans are doomed and probably an even higher percentage of dead humans. So what happens to all those multiple billions? Do they even resurrect? Or do they pop off to or remain in hell, leaving only the few saved to wader the earth in confusion until someone comes round and explains things.
I guess there's no point in adding theology questions to a nightmare, eh? Just like me and my lost classroom dreams. I'm never worried about what the class is, only where it is. Or how I got to be college-aged again. 8->
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Post by debutante on Oct 19, 2019 10:09:54 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
That's precisely why I said it was an oddly thought provoking dream. I remember getting in trouble in grammar school when they were teaching about the "resurrection of the faithful" and I compared them to zombies. Lol!
But really -- if you think about it -- how would the currently alive feel about the "ressurected faithful" among them? It would seriously creep me out.
And from the point of view of the "reanimated" would they look down on the never dead as lacking experience and therefore naive in some way?
I have some dreams like you describe, but my true nightmares are always among the dead, in cemeteries, or mausoleums.
I attribute this to the fact that as a child I was required to go to mass every morning. Most of them were memorial masses for the dead -- complete with coffin, clouds of inscense, and lighted candles in a darkened church. If there was a storm outside it was truly horrifying with wind howling, thunder crashing, and lightening flashes.
So...most of my nightmares are really creepy.
I am presently running the recordings of all the political shows I missed the last few days. After I catch up, we'll continue where we left off.
--Debutante
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Post by faskew on Oct 20, 2019 8:45:25 GMT -5
It’s a very short step from resurrected to zombie, so I can see how you got there. And there’s a whole sub-section of the internet devoted to the idea that Jesus was a vampire (rose again after 3 days, followers drink his blood, etc.). But, realistically, modern vampire stories were influenced by the Catholic Church, not the other way round.
I wish you good sleep, without horrors. 8->
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Post by debutante on Oct 20, 2019 9:12:46 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
I'm caught up on the last few days of news -- so let's continue where we left off.
You asked about the Trump family profiting from the presidency -- so let's try to make sense of that.
First off, I think that the one unique feature of the United States is that as a people -- we truly do want things to be "fair". Starting from that premise -- we'll have to expand that to include the concept of "fairness" to apply to all people in America, including Donald Trump and his family.
Trump is unique in that, to my knowledge, he's the first president in a very long time to enter the position without a prior history as a politician. He was known for most of his life as a traditional businessman, a television personality, and at times an entrepreneur in the "start up" sense.
Because he had (I am assuming here that his assets are currently in trust during his presidency) diverse holdings and interests -- he generated revenue in various areas. What his annual income per year averaged is a matter between him, the IRS, and God. I really don't think it's my business or anyone else's despite the current cry to invade his privacy.
Nevertheless, we can assume that his enterprises did result in some positive net worth as indicated by his lifestyle previous to the presidency. He was obviously not hurting for cash. So here's the crux of the matter -- do you expect his hotels to run in the red simply to satisfy the Democrats during his presidency?
You (and they) have absolutely no idea how much money they actually made per year. Because you don't have that figure -- you can't adequately claim that he has "increased his fortune" by various world leaders, secret service and other assorted add ons staying at his hotels during his presidency. Do you know for a fact that the Trump Hotel chains DID NOT perform this exact SAME SERVICE duing the presidencies of any of Trump's predecessors?
It would seem inconceivable to me that none of the previous presidents and their entourages ever stayed at a Trump Hotel. Also inconceivable that foreign dignitaries never spent time in one of his establishments during prior administrations.
Taking that into consideration -- how could Trump's presidency be MORE. It would simply be the SAME AS BEFORE. No more or no less -- than in previous administrations. Therefore, in all fairness, I don't see how this is a dastardly plot to "enrich himself". Had he not become president --- whoever did would probably be using his hotels anyway.
As to him choosing to stay in his own hotels -- I don't blame him. If he didn't, the press (which is an arm of the Democratic party) would print stories that said, "Trump won't stay in his own hotels because they suck!" Let's be fair about this -- he knows they are out to get him any way they can. I don't have a problem with him staying in his own hotels.
As to your complaints about Ivanka -- it took me awhile to track that down. It appears Ivanka took out some trademarks. It does not appear that she actually utilized them in the present. The reasoning behind this action (as the article I found explained) was because there was some fear of products being marketed by unscrupulous people under her name. By taking out trademarks -- she has legal recourse to go after anyone claiming a product is "hers" when it isn't. Personally, I think she made a wise decision.
As to her husband, you didn't quite go into what you thought he was doing. As far as I know he has his holding in trust too and is doing strictly government work. If you want to clarify your complaint -- please do and I'll do some research and get back to you.
But all things being considered, Trump Enterprises (whatever they comprise) existed BEFORE he became president and generated income. This was not the result of his being president. That's a bit different than the Kenyan who came into the office with a couple of nickels to rub together and walked out of the White House with a fortune. How about that beach house? LOL!
--Debutante
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Post by faskew on Oct 21, 2019 7:58:05 GMT -5
> He was known for most of his life as a traditional businessman ---Most presidents were businessmen before entering politics. Mostly lawyers, but some, like Jimmy Carter and his peanut farm, had other interests.
>Because he had (I am assuming here that his assets are currently in trust during his presidency) ---Nope. First president to NOT put his assets in a blind trust. One of the many complaints about him using the office to make himself much richer.
>do you expect his hotels to run in the red simply to satisfy the Democrats during his presidency? ---Nope. But he also shouldn’t be pouring millions in tax money into his hotels. Every time he takes a golf trip to one of his places, hundreds of staff, secret service, etc. pay tax money directly into Trump’s pocket for rooms, meals, etc. Other presidents have used the government-owned Camp David for their golfing. Has no other president ever used a Trump hotel? I don’t know. But the thing with Trump is that it looks like he’s stealing from taxpayers, so, true or not, he shouldn’t be doing this.
> Do you know for a fact that the Trump Hotel chains DID NOT perform this exact SAME SERVICE during the presidencies of any of Trump's predecessors? ---The difference is that it’s actually against the law for a president to use the office to benefit his personal businesses. Yeah, another pres could stay at a Trump hotel, but, as long as they don’t benefit financially from it, that’s OK. But when Trump goes to a Trump hotel, that’s illegal.
>If he didn't, the press (which is an arm of the Democratic party) would print stories that said, "Trump won't stay in his own hotels because they suck!" ---Actually, many of his properties have had bad press whether he stays in them or not. For example, the Doral property in Florida that he proposed for the G7 has had something like 500 health violations in the past few years, including an infestation of bedbugs. Nothing to do with politics. Besides, all he has to do is say that the law prevents him from staying at his own places. Nothing the Dems could make of that.
>As far as I know he (son-in-law) has his holding in trust too and is doing strictly government work. ---Technically in trust, but he and Ivanka both continue to directly run their business empires from the White House in violation of the rules. They made an estimated $28 million last year from their businesses, aside from their taxpayer-paid salaries as high-ranking WH staff. They sell access to the president in return for investments in their businesses. Ivanka, did shut down some of her stuff back in 2018, but not all, and she used her office to promote her stuff for a couple of years before that.
>That's a bit different than the Kenyan who came into the office with a couple of nickels to rub together and walked out of the White House with a fortune. ---There hasn’t been a president since Eisenhower who wasn’t a millionaire before being elected. And there hasn’t been a president ever who didn’t come out of office with more money than when he went in. Obama was a millionaire before becoming pres. Not just two nickels to rub together, but hundreds of thousand-dollar bills. Then he got the $400K per year presidential salary, plus free room and board, for 8 years, which greatly increased his wealth. Which happens to all presidents. Big salary and small cost-of-living = major increase in wealth. BTW, you have to stop calling Obama a Kenyan because Trump says he’s not. And you cannot disagree with ANYTHING St. Trump says, right? 8->
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Post by debutante on Oct 21, 2019 9:17:49 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
I can call Obama the Kenyan after viewing the British intelligence officer's YouTube video who stated that Obama's claimed "grandparents" (his supposed mother's) were tested by the Brit spooks against a sample of Obama's DNA and there was no match.
I assume either Trump didn't see this particular video or more likely, he has enough on the Kenyan coming down the turnpike with the reports coming due that he feels it doesn't matter. He has optics to consider. I don't.
I don't believe for one moment that the Kenyan was born in Hawaii. The birth certificate is faked (plenty of videos on this) and was certified by a woman who was the only person who conveniently died in an air crash. There's footage of a dude in a wetsuit coming up on her in the water. Glug..glug...bye..bye...
Every record on the Kenyan is sealed. Why is this necessary if there is nothing to hide? Granny from Kenya says he was born in Kenya. You don't have to be a Rhodes scholar to connect the dots.
This guy, whoever he is, I am not even sure what his name really is -- and God knows he is reported to have more than one social security number -- is for want of a better term -- a stick figure. Who put him there is anyone's guess. I'm betting the globalist commies with assistance from the Clowns In America. They were, after all headed up by a commie under his tenure.
The good news -- good? GREAT! FANTASTIC!! FABULOUS!! It has been confirmed that "Q" is real!!!
And who "Q" really is -- couldn't be finer. The best of the best -- "by invitation only"-- or so my research tells me.
The Republic is safe. And don't forget "Q" asked Trump to run for President. They don't make mistakes at that level.
Trump 2020
--Debutante
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Post by debutante on Oct 21, 2019 9:22:04 GMT -5
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Post by debutante on Oct 21, 2019 9:56:25 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
One other rather silly thing -- this thing about Presidents not being able to make money is irritating in another way. It would prevent them from doing anything for fun.
You remember I've mentioned many times that I collect designer dolls, don't you?
You do realize that a Melania Trump 11 1/2" fashion doll would sell like hotcakes. Package it dressed in the blue suit she wore to the inauguration. Have an add-on on pack available of the ball gown she wore that evening.
You get the picture? This is the first glamorous first lady since Jackie and Melania was a model to boot. What fun!
Every doll collector would want one. Every little girl would want one.
Now THAT would make oodles of money and the Dems would whine like babies [but muh Michelle...] All proceeds minus production cost to the wall!
*sigh* It will never happen because politicians take all the fun out of life! But it's a grand idea.
--Debutante
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Post by faskew on Oct 22, 2019 8:10:49 GMT -5
>I can call Obama the Kenyan after viewing the British intelligence officer's YouTube video ---But that would mean Trump is wrong. Surely that can’t be? 8->
>The birth certificate is faked (plenty of videos on this) ---The fun part about the internet, videos, etc., is that ANYBODY can post just about anything they want and they never have to prove their claims. I could make a video saying that you were the true queen of England and no one could prove me wrong, since no one can prove a negative.
---Many years ago, the Republican governor of Hawaii and several other Republicans looked into Obama’s birth. They found that the birth certificate was legit, birth notices had been posted in local newspapers at the time, there were people who remembered the event, etc. These were Republican officials of high rank looking for dirt on Obama. They did everything they could to find something. And then they announced publicly that there was nothing to be found. That beats wild claims and videos on the internet any day.
>And who "Q" really is -- couldn't be finer. The best of the best -- "by invitation only"-- or so my research tells me. ---There are several “Q”s. 4Chan’s Q password has been hacked more than once and so more than one person has posted there as Q. 4Chan changes the password, then someone hacks it again, and a new batch of Q’s make posts. Of course, that’s an out for those who wonder why Q is so often wrong about predictions – not all Q’s are the real Q. 8->
---BTW, wasn’t there supposed to be something big happening on Oct 18th? Whatever came of that?
>this thing about Presidents not being able to make money is irritating in another way. ---There’s no law that presidents can’t make money. In fact, with a salary of $400K per year, a pres will make $1.6 million for 4 years or $3.2 million for 8 years just for being in office. And since housing, food, medical, transportation, etc. are all covered, anyone who holds the office will automatically become much richer. What the law says is that a president can’t take money, presents, or favors from anyone in return for political stuff. In particular, from foreign nations. So a president can’t say: “Yes, Senator, I will sign your bill if you will give me a couple of million.” That's illegal.
---As to dolls, Trump could always license a toy company to make dolls of him and his family. Again, the royalties should go into a blind trust, but giving a company permission to make such dolls is perfectly acceptable so long as no money went directly to Trump while he's in office.
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Post by debutante on Oct 22, 2019 9:47:02 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
Obama's records are still sealed. Why? If he had nothing to hide, they would not be hidden. EVERYTHING on this guy is sealed.
Which Republicans investigated? No name? Mittens? Depends on who did the looking doesn't it? There's a strange little thing about looking -- you actually have to look and not just go through the motions like a blind little RINO so that you can say you looked when you really didn't. Tell me that Jim Jordan looked and found nothing and then I'll believe it.
But as for now, I believe granny. Let me tell you about grannies. They can outdo any intelligence agency anywhere. There is nothing an old lady doesn't see and file away in her mind for further reference. We (meaning the people in my neighborhood) used to call it "the granny network" (which was to be consulted whenever you wanted to dig out a skeleton or two from someone else's closet).
So take it to the bank -- if granny says Obama was born in Kenya -- he was born in Kenya.
I think Trump's decision on the matter is carefully thought out. After all, his administration will be bringing the charge of treason in regard to this attempted coup post report, indictment, and trials. I don't have such considerations, or as the saying goes, "not my circus, not my monkeys." I can believe as I wish.
I don't like the ultimate penalty but as things are going I don't see any other possible avenue. The commies will not stop. Any mercy shown and they will just regroup and begin anew at a later date.
Fred...read my other string. "Q" has been confirmed by a retired army general in a radio interview. A link to the article is provided. You can even hear the interview if you follow the link in the article I linked.
The proof is right there.
And so, we now know that"Q" is real! And according to the drops, Trump was asked by special forces to help save the Republic. In other words, he's the "good guy" in this story.
A lot of people have been taken in by the fake news mockingbird media "orange man bad" (Did you know they even put a filter on his photos to make him appear orange? So stupid!)
The story about the guys who claim they started it is a plant to make people doubt "Q". That's the mockingbird media at work.
But a retired general has confirmed "Q" is real! And it's not one of the media in bed with the Dems reporting it. It was originally a Canadian interview.
I understand 8kun is now up and operational -- (at least that's what I gathered from the sources I've checked early this morning). So I hope "Q" will return soon.
Oh...and about the 18th -- read the other article I posted. It specifically states the original date was pushed back a few days. Apparently, something more was found that required some expansion in the investigation. There was another article with Barr talking about it. I'll see if I can locate it for you.
--Debutante
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Post by faskew on Oct 24, 2019 6:54:06 GMT -5
>But a retired general has confirmed "Q" is real! ---As I keep repeating, anyone can say anything these days, on the internet, on a radio show, etc., and they never have to prove it. Doesn't matter who the person is. For that matter, I could claim to be a retired general myself and if I said stuff people wanted to hear, left or right, no one would bother to check my credentials.
---I’m sure that there is a real person out there somewhere who began the Q thing. But I’m also just as sure that there are now also several different people who claim to be Q and makes posts using that name. BTW, an actual retired general dumped on Trump last week, mocking him about his fake bone spurs that kept him out of the draft. Does that mean what he said is true just because he’s a retired general? 8->
>Obama's records are still sealed. Why? --- “Sealed” usually refers to records that would normally be public, but that a judge has ruled cannot be released without the court’s permission. NONE of Obama’s records are “sealed” by a court. Now things like college transcripts, birth certificates, etc., are private, not sealed, not available to the general public but available. None of the last few presidents have opened up their transcripts or other private documents – not Trump, not Obama, not George W. All the others opened up their tax returns, except Trump. He claims that he’s under audit and can’t. Two points. He’s been saying he’s under audit since 2015. Seems like his stuff is sucking up ALL the time and staff of the IRS for 4 years and they still haven't finished. And two, being under audit doesn’t mean you can release your returns. He’s just lying about that. So if Obama is hiding something with “sealed” files, what’s Trump hiding? LOL
---Anyway, this “sealed” nonsense has been passed around right-wing sites for years and it has been disproved for years. But that doesn’t stop it. Once a lie gets out there, it becomes a zombie and refuses to die regardless of how many times it’s proved wrong.
>Granny - --- Anabaptist Bishop Ron McRae says that Obama’s step-grandmother (his father's stepmother, Sarah Obama) said in a recorded transatlantic telephone conversation that she was present when Obama was born in Kenya. That’s not what she said. First off, the tape is incomplete and it’s not actually clear what she said or meant to say. Second, she has explained several times over the years that she didn’t say Obama was born in Kenya. Third, so long as one of his parents was a US citizen, he could be born on Mars and he would still be a legal citizen. Place of birth is completely meaningless.
> So take it to the bank -- if granny says Obama was born in Kenya -- he was born in Kenya. ---And so since she says that he wasn’t born in Kenya, that proves he wasn’t born in Kenya, right? 8->
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Post by debutante on Oct 24, 2019 8:02:23 GMT -5
Hi Fred: I checked his credentials. This general is real, and I invite you to check his credentials as well. They're actually quite impressive. I rather think someone of that calibre can be trusted in terms of testimony. Since he was speaking about the military which he has direct knowledge of -- given his prior position -- you can take it to the bank. "Q" is real and a specialized unit of intelligence chosen "by invitation only". I actually looked the unit up. As you can surmise -- not a lot of information exists about them. But from what I did read, the Republic is safe in their hands. The Commies will be taken down. Any retired general speaking about Trump's medical records is, quite frankly, talking out of his asshole. Ever hear of HIPAA? Whatever the medical diagnosis is, Trump's medical records are private unless he publically released them which, I don't believe is the case. Somehow you Democrats seem to believe that Trump is BENEATH the laws which apply to all citizens of the United States. And why exactly should I believe this hearsay from this Archbishop whom I have never heard of -- when I have read direct quotes from granny from multiple sources over the years? I know you Dems are big on heresay (as evidenced by that clown show in the basement run by pencil neck) but I prefer direct quotes or yes, actual transcripts! Edited to add: Now I personally don't speak Swahili, but here she is saying it with a translator translating it...and every other translator who's heard it translates it the same way. Now wasn't it you Democrats who said we should always believe the women? conservativefighters.com/news/obamas-grandmother-turns-admits-born-kenya/-- Debutante
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Post by faskew on Oct 25, 2019 14:30:35 GMT -5
>Any retired general speaking about Trump's medical records is, quite frankly, talking out of his asshole. ---That general was just joking about him being a draft dodger. But there are plenty of retired generals dinging him for his choices in Syria, wondering whether Putin blackmailed him and other stuff that retired generals do know about.
>And why exactly should I believe this hearsay from this Archbishop whom I have never heard of -- when I have read direct quotes from granny from multiple sources over the years? ---Well, that link you put at the end is to the recording that the Archbishop made and was the one that started the whole thing. So if you never heard of him, then you didn’t listen to the recording when he introduced himself. 8->
>I know you Dems are big on heresay ---Like I say, I’m an independent, neither Rep nor Dem, left nor right.
>I prefer direct quotes or yes, actual transcripts! ---Easy enough to fake or twist. You want to see a transcript of Trump talking to Epstein about under-age prostitutes? I can fake one real fast. 8->
>but here she is saying it with a translator translating it ---The recording is bad, lots of background noise, several contradicting bits. The only clear stuff is on the Archbishop’s end. It’s not apparent whether the folk in Africa could hear him clearly, and certainly the responses are garbled. The Archbishop asks a leading question, - When I visit, can I come by and see where he was born? And she says yes. Maybe just wanted to guy to visit her and lied so he’d come. Who knows. Still, whether the old step-grandmother said it or not, doesn’t mean that it’s true. And, as I keep repeating, it totally doesn’t matter in the least little bit where Obama was born. Now if his mother wasn’t really his mother, as you claim, AND he was born in Kenya, then that would be a problem. But if either his mother was an American citizen OR he was born in Honolulu, then that’s all it takes. No problem.
---Oh, and did you notice that Trump has changed his mind (again) and is not pulling ALL the US troops out of Syria? Sending a bunch of new troops to guard some oil wells so that the ISIS escapees (who he said are totally locked up) won’t get them. Plus a few thousand more to Saudi Arabia. So all that talk about getting out off the area was quickly brushed aside.
---And his claim that part of the border wall is being built in Colorado? My friends up there are having lots of fun on Facebook posting pics of people climbing over it and such. LOL Dufus doesn’t even know where Colorado is. Or else he’s having old-man Joe Biden moments and brain farts. Who knows. ---Also from Facebook – “Trump’s daughter works at the WH Her husband works at the WH Rudy’s son works at the WH Barr’s son-in-law works at the WH Barr’s daughter works at the Treasury Trump’s sons do foreign business His daughter is getting Chinese patents and Saudi grants But sure, let’s talk about Biden.”
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Post by debutante on Oct 25, 2019 18:38:49 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
You do know that neither Ivanka nor her husband draw a salary from the White House? BUT....perhaps you think nothing at all is still too much. Lol!
Is Rudy related to Trump? No?
How about Rudy's son? No? Then what's the beef? They serve at the pleasure of the President.
Is Barr related to Trump ? No? Then what's the beef? Trump's administration means it is Trump's choice.
Mary Barr Daley is an attorney. Let me clue you -- it is not uncommon for banks to have attorneys on staff. I could introduce you to one of my frat brothers (an attorney) who has been with a particular bank for most of his career . Perhaps you aren't aware that's often the case in business, but I assure you it isn't unusual.
Whatever... if she passed the bar and graduated from a half way decent school -- she has a little something called "qualifications" toward that particular position.
Here's the thing about Hunter. Unless there's some hidden nuggets in his resume -- being an attorney is a far stretch from energy. And considering he isn't based in the Ukraine and doesn't (reportedly) speak the language....exactly when did he go to work at this position? The thing about "jobs" is you actually have to haul ass out bed in the morning and go do some work. Otherwise, it is known as " creative bookkeeping" on the part of your "employer" *wink, wink*
Now I'll betcha that Mary Barr Daley can produce her schedule of billable hours upon request. That's just an educated guess on my part, you understand.
Trump's family always had foreign investments -- even when the thought of the "Presidency" was just a gleam in the Donald's eye. So? What's your problem? He came into the position already a billionaire.
I already explained why Ivanka took out the trademarks. As to Saudi Arabia -- you have to be specific. You can't just state generalities and imply improprieties.
My ex fiance did a lot of business in that region of the world. Some of his projects took years from initial planning, to execution, to finalization. For all I know you could be complaining about something that began years ago before Trump became president and is contractually obligated to be completed. I don't know how Trump has his businesses set up. It could be one corporation -- or several subsidiaries --.and Trump's children could be acting in an advisory capacity, but not presently drawing salaries from that subsidiary.
There are all sorts of ways to set up businesses and quite frankly Trump is under no obligation to tell anyone how his business is structured.
If it doesn't bother the IRS -- then it shouldn't bother you. I can bet you that since Obama weaponized every other agency against Trump -- he probably had the IRS up his rump too. Obama tried everything else -- I doubt he'd have left that out. So don't hope there's any "there" there -- Obama's gestapo would have found it.
--Debutante
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Post by debutante on Oct 25, 2019 18:40:36 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
Almost forgot...the point of the recording is what granny said.
And she said he was born in Kenya.
-- Debutante
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Post by faskew on Oct 28, 2019 7:43:46 GMT -5
>You do know that neither Ivanka nor her husband draw a salary from the White House? ---Which is only fair, since they don't do actual work. But they do use their offices to make money, which is where the conflict is.
>Trump's administration means it is Trump's choice. ---Indeed. And what an unlucky man, to surrounded by so many crooks. He's had more staff and friends indicted and convicted than any president in history. Nothing to do with his skills as a manager, I'm sure. LOL
There are all sorts of ways to set up businesses and quite frankly Trump is under no obligation to tell anyone how his business is structured.
>So don't hope there's any "there" there -- Obama's gestapo would have found it. ---You mean the way Trump has tried to use the gov to attack his political foes?
>Almost forgot...the point of the recording is what granny said. ---It's not clear on the recording that she understood or was properly answering the question. At any rate (1) one step-grandmother's statement does not overwhelm the other evidence, and (2) it doesn't matter at all where he was born. So why all the fuss?
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Post by debutante on Oct 28, 2019 10:31:39 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
>Which is only fair because they don't actually work.
In your opinion.
>He's had more friends and staff indicted...
You mean like General Flynn? I'd wait on such claims if I were you. There's already proof the 302's were altered. It's easy to indict when you make up "evidence". If they did it with Flynn...maybe they'll have to go over every other case with a fine tooth comb. Apparently, you haven't noticed the "investigators are under investigation.
>You mean the way Trump has tried to use the government to attack his political foes?
Two words for you "Crossfire Hurricane". LOL! And what the hell do you think Shifty has been trying to do in the basement?
>It's not clear on the recording...
It's clear to the translator. Ah Fred, you better prepare yourself psychologically. The reports are coming out and the Dems are in deep, deep, doo doo.
Q already told everyone that the choice to know or not was theirs. And that FISA would being down the house.
--Debutante
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Post by debutante on Oct 28, 2019 10:57:21 GMT -5
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Post by faskew on Oct 30, 2019 9:30:42 GMT -5
As far as I can tell from this article, Flynn's is attempting to get his conviction overturned based on the gov not presenting all the evidence to the defense. Which may or may not be true. But, as part of his plea bargain, he did admit to criminal acts and later made a public statement, "But I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong, and, through my faith in God, I am working to set things right." In other words, he may or may not get off on a technicality, but he admitted more than once that he actually did the crimes. We'll see how it goes.
As to Mueller, there were many different people subjected to investigation and evidence came from many, many sources. Even if one source was flawed, that does not negate all the other evidence. If you apply the one-bad-source-negates-them-all concept, then look at all the many false claims Reps have made about Clinton and other Dems. One bad source negates all the others, right? So all the Dems are innocent. 8->
So what do you think about the transcript that the WH released a few days ago? It clearly says at the bottom that it's not a "transcript" of Trump's phone conversation, but a memo based on notes taken by various people. And now it's been shown that some important, incriminating bits were left out on purpose. As above, if the WH provides false evidence in one instance, how can you trust anything they say? For that matter, since Trump says stuff like that Belgium is a beautiful city and that an anti-Mexican illegal wall is being built in Colorado, how can you trust anything he says. (Lots of fun FB posts from Colorado over that. One shows people in Vail carrying signs that say, "Build the Wall! And Make Aspen Pay for it!" LOL
As to Q, is there a specific date for all the action? One of the reasons that many of his fans like the "account has been hacked" idea is that Q's predictions never seem to come true, so they blame the failures on the fake Q's. As in the psychic biz, giving specific dates is problematic. Much better to keep customers happy with vague, "real soon now" proclamations.
There are bad folk in both parties, so I have no doubt that some Dem somewhere has done something illegal or immoral, but I don't believe that ALL the members of either party are the same. If you judge an entire party by a few individuals, then the Reps have a lot of explaining to do. Flynn is only one of several Reps who were convicted of illegal activities.
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Post by debutante on Oct 30, 2019 10:23:24 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
Short answer-- I have a once a year appointment so I'm pressed for time. Since the Ukrainian President backs up Trump's version of events, I think the latest "witness" gave an accurate account of his imagination.
I will take up the Flynn issue when I return. It's a quickie x-ray, so it shouldn't take long -- it's just stupid because the insurance goes null if you don't go in and have it checked yearly.
Oh, and Q has stated that since the drops are public (and presumably read by the deep state) occasionally disinformation is given. This is to make them use up "ammunition" (which takes many forms) on useless things. Eventually, their bag of trucks will run dry.
There are also rumors spred by non Q people.
There are rumors speed by Q people as "might be true" but they are labeled as such. There was one going around about the California fires last time. I saw it repeated today. I have no idea if it is true which, is why I haven't repeated it.
I do know one of the reports is supposed to be out soon. That supposedly has information but no real "teeth". Meaning, no charges can be brought under it. The one that is the MOAB will be Durham's.
--Debutante
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Post by debutante on Oct 30, 2019 16:44:02 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
Okay -- glad that's over with for the year. Now I can get back to General Flynn.
You have read the articles,I imagine,about Muller's so-called "pit bull" Weismann. Considering he has been reprimanded numerous times for dubious practices -- I can't imagine why you would believe he suddenly became a boy scout when dealing with Flynn.
He hid exculpatory evidence. The 302's were altered. They lied to Flynn about the serious nature of the discussion. They drove the General into bankruptcy defending himself and then threatened to go after his son UNLESS HE PLED GUILTY.
Now it seems to me that if there was some actual suspicion of something regarding Flynn's son -- it wouldn't matter what he pled. But if you want to blackmail somebody (by suggesting you will bankrupt their son as well) -- then such a tactic employed would lead to the plea you wish to get. It doesn't mean it is true. It means a father loves his son.
Weismann reportedly has done this on numerous occasions in the past (which explains the reprimanda by the courts and the dismissals and exoneration of some of his past victims.
Thing is -- Flynn has a long and honorable career to point to as evidence of his veracity.
Mueller and Weismann have a history of court reprimands and exoneration of people they railroaded.
It seems obvious to me that Flynn is the more believable party -- especially when the original notes of the agents who interviewed Flynn said that they had the impression he was not lying.
--Debutante
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