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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 12:18:06 GMT -5
This is from a libertarian source, by the way, which speaks highly about the neofascist government of Bolsonaro and its connections to libertarian figures in Latin America and the US.
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Post by rmarks1 on Aug 27, 2019 17:11:03 GMT -5
Why did you title your post "Why Libertarians support the Brazilian government" (which implies that ALL Libertarians support the Brazilian government) when this critical article was written by...wait for it...Libertarians?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 4:40:11 GMT -5
Complex Question Fallacy.
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Post by rmarks1 on Aug 28, 2019 11:28:04 GMT -5
Complex Question Fallacy. Then let me rephrase it as a statement.
You titled your post "Why Libertarians support the Brazilian government. This implies that ALL Libertarians support the Brazilian government.
But the criticism was written by other Libertarians. Therefore your own post shows that not all Libertarians support the Brazilian government. And this clearly shows the title you gave your post is wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 11:51:30 GMT -5
Complex Question Fallacy. Then let me rephrase it as a statement. You titled your post "Why Libertarians support the Brazilian government. This implies that ALL Libertarians support the Brazilian government. Wrong. Why is that relevant?
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Post by rmarks1 on Aug 28, 2019 11:57:02 GMT -5
Then let me rephrase it as a statement. You titled your post "Why Libertarians support the Brazilian government. This implies that ALL Libertarians support the Brazilian government. Wrong. As usual, you give no evidence at all for your claim. Because your title implied that ALL Libertarians support the Brazilian government. And, based on the article you posted, that is clearly wrong. Bob
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 13:13:50 GMT -5
I made a claim and provided clear cases that libertarians support Bolsonaro and his fight against "socialism".
If you want to demonstrate that I am wrong, all you have to do is provide some counter examples.
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Post by rmarks1 on Aug 28, 2019 14:29:24 GMT -5
I made a claim and provided clear cases that libertarians support Bolsonaro and his fight against "socialism".
If you want to demonstrate that I am wrong, all you have to do is provide some counter examples.
Wrong. You did NOT provide a clear case that ALL Libertarians support the Brazilian President. All you did was show that A FEW Libertarians support him.
As for the counter-example, you provided it yourself! The article you posted criticizing the Bolsonaro supporters was written by Libertarians.
This is too easy. You asked for counter examples and you provided the evidence yourself in your own post.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 16:58:11 GMT -5
I made a claim and provided clear cases that libertarians support Bolsonaro and his fight against "socialism".
If you want to demonstrate that I am wrong, all you have to do is provide some counter examples.
Wrong. You did NOT provide a clear case that ALL Libertarians support the Brazilian President. All you did was show that A FEW Libertarians support him.
As for the counter-example, you provided it yourself! The article you posted criticizing the Bolsonaro supporters was written by Libertarians.
This is too easy. You asked for counter examples and you provided the evidence yourself in your own post.
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I see that you do not include a direct quote where I said that "ALL Libertarians support the Brazilian president".
That's because no such quote exists.
For your constant hissy fits about being misquoted, you sure don't practice what you preach.
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Post by rmarks1 on Aug 28, 2019 17:54:41 GMT -5
Wrong. You did NOT provide a clear case that ALL Libertarians support the Brazilian President. All you did was show that A FEW Libertarians support him. As for the counter-example, you provided it yourself! The article you posted criticizing the Bolsonaro supporters was written by Libertarians. This is too easy. You asked for counter examples and you provided the evidence yourself in your own post. I see that you do not include a direct quote where I said that "ALL Libertarians support the Brazilian president". That's because no such quote exists. The quote is in the title of this thread. The title that you personally wrote. You wrote "Why Libertarians support the Brazilian government." You didn't say "some Libertarians", did you? Ho hum. Another one of your Ad Hominems. Bob
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 11:39:01 GMT -5
The title of this thread reads "Why Libertarians support the Brazilian government" for me.
Note how there is no "all" included in that quote. What does it say for you?
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Post by rmarks1 on Aug 29, 2019 12:00:10 GMT -5
The title of this thread reads "Why Libertarians support the Brazilian government" for me.
Note how there is no "all" included in that quote. What does it say for you?
You didn't write "Why SOME Libertarians support the Brazilian government." Your title implies that ALL Libertarians support the Brazilian government. They don't. In fact, the article you posted was written by Libertarians who DON'T support the Brazilian government.
So the article you posted refutes your own claim.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 11:36:52 GMT -5
The title of this thread reads "Why Libertarians support the Brazilian government" for me.
Note how there is no "all" included in that quote. What does it say for you? You didn't write "Why SOME Libertarians support the Brazilian government." Your title implies that ALL Libertarians support the Brazilian government. The title does not say "ALL Libertarians", which is evidence that refutes your point.
If you want to keep argueing, please show some evidence to support your side.
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Post by rmarks1 on Aug 30, 2019 12:49:50 GMT -5
You didn't write "Why SOME Libertarians support the Brazilian government." Your title implies that ALL Libertarians support the Brazilian government. The title does not say "ALL Libertarians", which is evidence that refutes your point.
If you want to keep argueing, please show some evidence to support your side.
The title implies ALL Libertarians. If a Nazi propaganda poster said "Jews are Evil", would you say that the Nazis "didn't mean all Jews?"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 12:24:10 GMT -5
The title does not say "ALL Libertarians", which is evidence that refutes your point. If you want to keep argueing, please show some evidence to support your side.
The title implies ALL Libertarians. No, you personally believe that it does, based on nothing as far as I can tell, seeing that you still haven't cited any evidence to support your argument.
Do you have any counter evidence to my sourced claim that libertarians support the Bolsonaro government?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 12:34:06 GMT -5
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Post by rmarks1 on Aug 31, 2019 13:40:38 GMT -5
For the record, I can't understand why Austrians voted to install a right-wing Neo-fascist government.
Only a few Libertarians support the Brazilian government. A large number of Austrians voted for their present government.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 16:32:47 GMT -5
Only a few Libertarians support the Brazilian government. According to the source I posted, the Liberal Party, i.e. the party official representing Brazilian libertarians, supports the Brazilian government. Do you find it plausible that the official libertarian party would only represent "a few" libertarians? I don't.
For the record, I can't understand why Austrians voted to install a right-wing Neo-fascist government.
What do you not understand about it? There's not a massive difference in how Trump won the US elections. Scapegoating immigrants is always a dead ringer in politics, doubly so when large numbers of people are made to believe that foreigners are filthy and dangerous and deserve to be mistreated.
By the way, the Austrian neofascist government is no more.
Whether it will return to politics will be shown on September 29. I for one am going to do my part by voting for a pro-immigration leftist party.
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Post by rmarks1 on Aug 31, 2019 18:09:06 GMT -5
Only a few Libertarians support the Brazilian government. According to the source I posted, the Liberal Party, i.e. the party official representing Brazilian libertarians, supports the Brazilian government. Do you find it plausible that the official libertarian party would only represent "a few" libertarians? I don't. Nice try McAnswer, but in Brazil the Liberal Party and the Libertarian Party are two different organizations. The "Liberal" Party is conservative and the Libertarian Party is not even have enough signatures to get on the ballot yet. "The Liberal Party (Partido Liberal, PL) was a conservative political party of Brazil, merged (2006) in the Party of the Republic. The Pentecostal Universal Church of the Kingdom of God heavily influenced the party after 1999." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_(Brazil)As for the Brazilian Libertarian Party: "Currently, the party is in the process of collecting signatures that will be delivered to the Superior Electoral Court to reach a minimum of 500,000 signatures. More than 6,000 people have already signed it." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarians_(Brazil)Perhaps the similarity between the names confused you. Bob
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 8:58:36 GMT -5
You should have said this earlier. The article claims that Brazilian liberals are libertarians:
If that is not so, then that still leaves the Brazilian Mises Institute and the Free Brazil Movement, both mentioned in the article in the top post. On what grounds do you suggest that they are not representative of Brazilian libertarians?
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Post by rmarks1 on Sept 1, 2019 11:39:49 GMT -5
You should have said this earlier. The article claims that Brazilian liberals are libertarians:
If that is not so, then that still leaves the Brazilian Mises Institute and the Free Brazil Movement, both mentioned in the article in the top post. On what grounds do you suggest that they are not representative of Brazilian libertarians?
You are the one making the claim that these few people are representative of the entire Brazilian Libertarian movement. It is up to you to provide evidence that they are. So far, you haven't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 22:08:32 GMT -5
You should have said this earlier. The article claims that Brazilian liberals are libertarians: If that is not so, then that still leaves the Brazilian Mises Institute and the Free Brazil Movement, both mentioned in the article in the top post. On what grounds do you suggest that they are not representative of Brazilian libertarians? You are the one making the claim that these few people are representative of the entire Brazilian Libertarian movement. It is up to you to provide evidence that they are. So far, you haven't.
As usual, you do not post direct quotes.
Please show me a quote where I claim that these people are representative of all libertarians.
You won't find it because it doesn't exist.
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Post by rmarks1 on Sept 1, 2019 22:27:13 GMT -5
You are the one making the claim that these few people are representative of the entire Brazilian Libertarian movement. It is up to you to provide evidence that they are. So far, you haven't.
As usual, you do not post direct quotes.
Please show me a quote where I claim that these people are representative of all libertarians.
You won't find it because it doesn't exist.
That's hilarious! The quote is right in the title of this thread. The title that YOU posted.
It says "Why Libertarians support the Brazilian government." That implies that ALL Libertarians or at least the great majority do.
The Nazis used to say things like Jews are evil. But I suppose we shouldn't criticize the Nazis too harshly because, after all, they didn't specifically say ALL Jews. Right?
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