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Post by debutante on Jul 18, 2019 11:38:04 GMT -5
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Post by faskew on Jul 19, 2019 7:39:33 GMT -5
Me, I would change my name and move somewhere no one knew me. But I never had a close relationship with my father, so cutting ties might be more difficult for others.
I also wonder about all the cops being fired in the past couple of years for various misdeeds. How can they find another job when they were fired for beating or killing a prisoner? Do they become criminals because all legitimate jobs are closed to them? Or can they find jobs with White Nationalists or such, since all the victims tend to be black.
I'd like to see a TV special about fired cops.
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Post by debutante on Jul 19, 2019 12:33:30 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
They probably just go on to get another job. Those are less known than cases of mass murder. If you mention Gacy, Dahmer, Manson, et.al. -- everyone knows who you mean. Cops less so. Only rabid liberals get into "police brutality" claims. And a lot of those cases are questionable because you wonder if someone is "trying to set an example."
Everyone I knew growing up liked the cops (and these were Chicago cops) -- but we weren't the type of kids to do anything which would cause any friction with them.
In fact, Chicago cops can be very reasonable in weird situations. Case in point, some forty years ago, while on a date - my brother was driving with the girl to a particular restaurant.
While stopped at a red light -- a bunch of thugs approached the car and yelled enough stuff for my brother to feel that his date was being targeted (and he was outnumbered).
The only open avenue to get out of this situation was to move the car into the oncoming lane of traffic and gun it hoping that nobody else would be coming in the opposite direction. So that's what he did (for several blocks). He got pulled over by a cop who asked him what the hell he thought he was doing. He explained about the gang who began threatening them at the light.
The cop did not ticket my brother and took off in pursuit of the gang.
So cops generally have a good reputation despite the attempt of the liberal media to make them into something they aren't.
They can get a little hardened (who wouldn't dealing with what they have to deal with each day). And I personally think their job should have frequent built in paid vacations because of the stress. That might reduce some of the perceived "harshnes" in some of them.
But overall, I love the Chicago Police Department. They always come when you call them and they were okay.
The suburb where I live now -- they're great too.
--Debutante
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Post by faskew on Jul 20, 2019 7:32:57 GMT -5
Thanks to everyone having a video in their cell phones, we don't have to depend on people's eyewitness reports of police brutality. Lots of examples to view. Now the one common thing about these is that in 99% of the cases, the victim is black. Yeah, sometimes the person is doing something stupid and deserves to be tazed (or whatever), but often the person is just minding their own business when the cops show up and beat them. Did you see the one the other day where a white security guard pulled his gun on a black police officer, in uniform? It's not only liberals who are upset by these event, but libertarian types, who oppose too much government, are not fond of cops beating folk for no reason.
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Post by debutante on Jul 21, 2019 0:05:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't put my total faith in cell phone recording either. They only depict what happens after a person decides to press the record button.
You have to ask yourself if people routinely walk around recording every single moment of their waking life. The answer is "no". They only press the button at the point they feel that there is something worth recording.
It's that period of time when things percolate before the button gets pushed that is not a part of the recording.
I'm afraid that I am not numbered among those who want to "fry 'em like bacon". Despite what liberals may believe about the police -- they are very unappreciated for the work they do.
I was especially impressed by our suburban police who went out of their way to get to know the school children when they were small -- so that by the time they entered their teen years; the kids knew all the officers by name and wouldn't have dreamed of doing anything to disappoint these people who had invested so much time in them during their youth. They were dedicated guys and gals and it paid off.
--Debutante
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Post by faskew on Jul 21, 2019 8:42:06 GMT -5
>Despite what liberals may believe about the police
---Not all liberals are anti-police. Back in the 1960s, counter-culture days, I think the anti-war and pro-marijuana folk considered police to be agents of totalitarianism. And, of course, there were the famous cases where police in the Deep South were involved in beating and killing people promoting desegregation. And there's still traces of that in some of the Old Folk. But, believe it or not, some cops these days are actual liberals. The husband of my wife's college roommate for one (although he's retired now). I personally don't know any Dems or liberals who are anti-police, and I live in the most liberal city in Texas. Maybe it's because they fear the right-wing loonies who break out into violence or killing sprees? We've had many cases here of White Nationalists attacking synagogues or mosques, Evangelical folk beating up gays, anti-government conservatives building bombs, attacking government offices, etc. Maybe it's different with minority groups or in other parts of the nation, but in my circle the police are mostly seen as protection from the crazies instead of enforcers of bad laws. At least among my liberal friends. Naturally, the conservatives are de facto cop supporters. And yes, like in your world, the local cops do quite a bit of PR work with kids, the poor, neighborhood watches, ride-along programs and all sorts of other things to get citizens into contact with cops in a non-legal situation. I suppose it's possible that a mostly liberal city might get mostly liberal cops. After all, if you're a gung-ho anti-liberal, you'd probably be happier being a cop in a conservative city. But if you yourself are liberal, it's a good place to be a cop. Just my wild guess.
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