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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 13:19:20 GMT -5
Has anyone here watched the first episode of The Sinner Season 2? I forgot about it but I'm thinking of purchasing it since I liked the first season a lot. I see that the rating isn't too good, but then I can't go by that being that a lot of people didn't like season 1.
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Post by raybar on Aug 3, 2018 16:37:42 GMT -5
Yes. I just finished watching it - - now that you let us know it was available. Thanks for the heads up. I'll hold my comments until others have seen it.
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Post by debutante on Aug 3, 2018 19:28:40 GMT -5
Lily,
I'm glad you posted it because I forgot. I'll try to get it on demand.
--Debutante
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 23:48:27 GMT -5
Good, I'm glad I did. Okay, I'll post after I watch Episode 1.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 23:40:12 GMT -5
I'm going to try and watch it tonight. It's on Demand on Spectrum Digital which I now have, but no pausing or stuff like that, so I'll just try and see if I like it enough to purchase the season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 14:39:20 GMT -5
Okay, I watched it and I'm already hooked. I watched it on Spectrum On Demand. Next episode is on Wednesday.
I'll be looking for opinions after everyone is finished watching Episode 1.
Edit: By the way, pausing was available to that helps where I don't have to buy the season on Amazon, although it would be nice to view it again, but I guess that would be possible On Demand, too.
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Post by raybar on Aug 6, 2018 0:00:49 GMT -5
“You’ll know who . . . You’ll know how . . .You won’t believe why” That promo line plus “Julian Kills His Parents” (the episode 1 title) pretty much sets the stage for the rest of the series. We know who and how, and the series will explore why a boy might kill his parents. But, of course, this is fiction. There may be some surprising twists and turns in the story, or far fetched coincidences that your would never believe possible in real life. But that’s OK. Movies tend to be that way. As was suggested when I commented on some long-forgotten plot detail in my very first TV series (“Lou Grant”), “You don’t want to examine these scripts too closely.” But here we go, examining the story a little too closely, and giving it far more thought than I usually give any entertainment. And remember that having lived in and worked Hollywood since 1976, I’m probably way too picky. - - I’ve had enough “car breaks down for no reason in the middle of nowhere” stories for several lifetimes. Writers really need to do better. Why not just have them stop for the night because it’s late and they need to stop for the night? - - What parents start fucking up against a motel door when the kid is due back at any moment with something from the breakfast bar? Or is this foreshadowing a revelation for later that Dead Mom isn’t really Mom at all. Maybe she’s a stepmother or Dad’s girlfriend. But still, the kid is due back any moment. - - Improbable coincidence #1. The crime just happens to take place where Ambrose (the lead detective from the first season) grew up, and he just happens to know the investigating police detective, and he just happens to have time off from his own job so he can come home for a visit. Right now please. Or maybe there will be some connection to Ambrose’s past in this new story. Otherwise, why not write the crime in Ambrose’s jurisdiction where he could become involved in the case in the normal way police get involved in real cases? - - In the next scene after the detective asks Ambrose for help, he has a dream featuring a woman, boiling water, a fan, and fire. What is this? Do I recall something like this from the first season? - - The investigating police detective, Heather Novack, is female, black, and gay. I hardly noticed her sex or color until she took Ambrose to see his old friend, her father. Then I took notice. She’s black, Dad’s white. That’s not just casting. It’s intentional. You wouldn’t cast a parent and child of different races accidentally. You would avoid doing so unless it was a story point and you were going someplace with it, or if the story was set somewhere that racial mixed families were common, because you would be drawing - even directing - the audience’s attention to something irrelevant. Cops can be male or female, black or white or Asian or Hispanic or whatever. Who cares, as long as the actors make believable cops? And then Dad says “she’s gay.” So now, there really really really needs to be a good story-telling reason why they have written a female black gay character with a white father, and it needs to be something more than a bow to political agitation in Hollywood. I’m expecting some subplots about Heather’s race, sex, and sexuality. - - Julian’s parents succumb to the poison very quickly. And they’re not only poisoned, they’re dead in a few minutes from few sips of tea. Wikipedia says “The onset of symptoms generally occurs around 30 to 60 minutes after ingesting the herb.” ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura_stramonium ) I can accept the short time between ingestion and death as necessary to get the story moving, but again, I wish the writers would do better. Whenever I notice something happen in a movie in a way that it doesn’t happen in the real world, it breaks my suspension of disbelief, and takes me out of the story. - - Improbable coincidence #2. We learn that Julian just happened to find some jimsonweed weed growing right behind the motel, and he just happened to know what it was, and he just happened to know how to use it, and there just happened to be a free ( !! ) breakfast bar at this roadside motel where he could brew up his cocktail quickly enough that nobody noticed that he wasn’t just making tea. - - Julian’s intentions are unclear. Did he intend to kill his parents? Or did he intend to drug them. Dad said, “It tastes like licorice.” Did Julian just try to flavor the tea? - - Heather (the detective) talks to a judge (?) at Family Court, and about whether she is ready to file charges. This is ridiculous. It’s only a day or two after the murder, and the investigation has just begun. Ambrose points out that the results of the toxicology tests aren’t even finished yet. What’s the rush about filing charges? (If I remember correctly, there was similar nonsense in Season 1.) - - “. . . in the eighteen hundreds it was swarming with evangelicals. Joseph Smith saw God, started Mormonism. Spiritualists. Talking to the dead. “Burnt Over District” they called it. There’s something in the soil here. Things won’t stay quite.” - - The disabled car is found. Finally. This has to be two or three days after Mom and Dad die, which seems a long time to locate a car a few hour’s walk out of town on the main highway. Later, Heather says that the car’s wheels are turned to the right and that therefore they had to have been coming from the north, the opposite direction from what was thought. Seems like flimsy evidence. Doesn’t it just mean that the driver happened to turn the wheels a bit just prior to stopping? A real clue or a red herring? - - The contents of the car contain none of Julians things. “What kind of parents go on a trip and don’t pack a bag for their kid?” and “What were they planning on do with him?” Well, that’s pretty ominous, but maybe Julian got rid of his stuff before Heather found him. Why would he do that? Or maybe Mom and Dad picked him up somewhere unexpectedly, during a parents day visit to a school or camp perhaps. Or maybe they had evil plans of some sort. - - Vera arrives at the police station with some forms on her windshield. Temporary vehicle registration? Clue or misdirection? She claims to be Julian’s mother. This is strange since Julian gave no hint that Dead Mom wasn’t his real mother. Maybe one of them is the biological mother and the other is a stepmother or adoptive mother. Or maybe it’s more of a title, like Mother Superior among the nuns. We saw Vera previously in flashbacks or memory scenes. She was talking to Julian in a very serious way while he was drawing in what seemed to be office or a den or someplace like that. Was she speaking as a parent? As a therapist? “Shadow Julian,” she says,” he’s you . . . And when he comes knocking, what do you do?” Who’s Shadow Julian? Does Julian have issues with an imaginary twin from the Dark Side. Is Vera a cult leader feeding on children? Did Mom and Dad kidnap Julian from her evil clutches with a promise of Niagara Falls? ===== As you can see from the length of this, I had nothing to do today. It’s Molly’s fault. Girl’s Night Out indeed. You see what happens when I’m left alone without any “honey do’s”
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 15:26:58 GMT -5
I have a lot of questions, too, and I suppose it was mostly to wet our interest for the coming episodes. And it looks like it's only you and I that are watching this series (I mean on FACTS, on course), so I don't think it's premature to be commenting on what we've seen so far. I agree with much of what you've already written so I won't be repeating much of it unless I really have some disagreement with it or something relevant to add. I did want to point out about the "shadow Julian" thing. I do recall that as a psychological term. So I think there's some implication there about Julian already. Seems to me to be very high IQ intelligence and specific interests that most boys of his age don't have. And apparently one of them is about plants. He appeared to be very versed in that plant that killed his "parents". And he obviously has had some type of psychological trauma in his life. I didn't get the impression that the two people died only a few minutes after ingesting that tainted tea. I mean the guy was in the shower. We don't know how soon after the tea he decided to do that, and now I forget what the woman was doing. I really intend to watch that episode again. As far as the thing about Heather being black and her father white, the only thing I thought about it was that her mother was apparently black. Or could she have been adopted? I'm so used to mixed race families here that I didn't give it any kind of extensive thought or meaning, but now that you mention it, maybe I should. As far as this happening in Ambrose's hometown, why not? lol But I did have the questions about was he still employed as a detective or was he retired? And if still employed, how does he get to just take off his job at a moment's notice. However, I have to say this doesn't bother me so much. Yes, and really weird about no belongings for Justin in the car especially since they were going to be away at Niagara Falls for a while at least. But I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they (the man being his father) did a parent kidnapping of him for some reason or other. The woman that showed up at the motel as his mother didn't seem like a real likable woman to me. Shades of child custody. But then if Justin believed he was being rescued from a witch mother and into the hands of a loving father and step mother, then why poison them? I've really got to watch this episode again. Oh, and good on Molly.
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Post by raybar on Aug 6, 2018 15:48:42 GMT -5
Lily, have seen the show's own publicity at www.usanetwork.com ? Worth a few minutes in a movie trailer sort of way. No real spoilers, but they do show an upcoming location or two which you may or may not want to see before the story gets there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 15:51:19 GMT -5
Lily, have seen the show's own publicity at www.usanetwork.com ? Worth a few minutes in a movie trailer sort of way. No real spoilers, but they do show an upcoming location or two which you may or may not want to see before the story gets there. Okay, thanks. I think I'll go take a look.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 18:17:20 GMT -5
Thanks, Raybar, I enjoyed those interviews for Season 2. And I like that I can watch Episode 1 there again and with closed captions, which I can't seem to get with Spectrum Digital. I'll have to inquire with them about that. It's not that I have a hearing problem, but sometimes, as with Justin, people sometimes mumble or talk too fast and I don't like missing what they say, even if it's nothing. I just feel I can be missing something maybe that has a clue. So thank you for referencing that website.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 12:03:21 GMT -5
I'll be viewing Episode 2 today. By the way, I did view the extras on USA channel where each of the main characters talked about their roles and a bit about the story. That also included Jennifer Biel who's one of the producers or something. Apparently she's going to appear in Season 2 somehow.
So, I'll be back after I've watched the episode.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 23:33:26 GMT -5
Raybar, I am not coming back to FACTS as far as posting goes. I'll find a way to write you about my impressions of The Sinner, and then you can do with it as you please--copy it here and react or not. I can no longer stand the stench.
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Post by raybar on Aug 12, 2018 12:15:40 GMT -5
Lily, you can PM me here or use the email address listed in my profile. For now, I'll go first. And keep in mind that thinking about this story enough to write about it probably means I'm overly critical.
The Sinner - Season 2 Episode 2 As is typical of second episodes, this one moves the story forward a bit with a few new details.
- - First of all, we learn that Vera's commune (or whatever it is) is a only about 20 miles outside of the town of Keller. It's a local facility. So the opening in Episode 1, where we see what appears to be a family driving down a remote highway, is very misleading. This not a family and they have not been on the road for long. The car broke down almost immediately after they left the commune. Was the car rigged to break down? Was the whole "take the kid to Niagara Falls" thing part of a plan to murder the "parents?" Why did they act as if they had no idea where they were, or where they could stay for the night, or where they could get the car fixed, if they broke down so close to home?
- - When Ambrose and Heather and the the other cop visit the commune, Heather recognizes a man she saw during her first visit to the motel where the murder took place.Maybe it's a simple coincidence that he just so happened to be at the motel at that particular moment - "a red herring." If not, it implies that the motel clerk contacted the commune and told them that the "family" was there. What is the connection of the motel man to the commune? Why was the commune man there? Is he the real murderer? Did he help or instruct Julian make the poison tea?
- - We also learn that Heather has been to the commune before with (apparently) a girlfriend. Is this the "missing" friend referred to in some of the publicity? What happened to her? As the police are leaving the commune, Heather somehow separates herself from the group without anyone noticing, and goes alone to look at a particular building which seems to be a shrine or church or some such thing. What happened there to Heather and friend? Will this be connected the the murder case under investigation, or is it a bit of character development intended to distract the audience from the real story? I found the "Heather slips away" scene just absurd. Vera and crew clearly don't want the police on their property and are cooperating only because they have a warrant, so they would be extremely unlikely to loose track of one of the three cops. It's not like one cop out of fifty or a hundred slipped away .And since she had a warrant, why didn't Heather just say "What's that building there?" and go take a look.
- - Charges are files against Julian. Again I ask, what's the big rush. They still don't have the toxicology report, so they still are not sure what killed the victims. How do they even know what charges to file when they don't really know what happened?
That's all for now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 18:37:12 GMT -5
These are my comments on Episode 2. Raybar, I hadn't read your commentary before writing this.
My overall feeling about this 2nd episode is one of being disturbed and frankly angry. This woman who runs this community is just full of arrogance and hate which is ironic being this Mosswood place is supposed to be one of peace and love. Hahaha I'd love to slap her silly. I guess I need a community to change me to be full of empathy and understanding. Heheheh
Anyway, now we know that the two people who were with Justin were not his parents, but were actually escaping this community and taking Justin with them to help him escape as well. And Justin did know them and I am thinking at least the woman had been nurturing to him in that place.
However, it sure seems like Justin didn't see it the way the two adults with him did. I'm guessing when he realized what was really going on, he felt some kind of loyalty to his mother and I believe somehow got in touch with her through a cellphone or other manner. And I don't believe for one second that it was Justin that decided to poison them.
But what was that guy with the gray ponytail doing in the registration office at the time the couple was obtaining a room (as seen in this episode which I didn't see in episode 1). Maybe he followed them under order from the mother? Did they really tell the mom they were taking the boy to Niagara Falls? And was it this guy that had Justin make the tea? So many questions.
And what's in that small building on the grounds that Heather is examining when the episode ended? More to this whole setup than meets the eye. Will they get some needed information out of Justin? Will Justin be returned to his mother? What's up with her anyway? Need to know more of her background and why she created this community. I'm going to make a leap and say that Justin is not really her son and that the kidnapped him as a child. The birth certificate? Faked or doctored up? I won't be able to get to the next episode until Thursday.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 17:06:38 GMT -5
Episode #3
First off there's "Vera Walker" which I believe is a made up name. "Vera" coming from the word "veracity" meaning truth. So our little psychopath has named herself "Walking Truth". How sweet.
Okay, now we know (as I predicted last post) that Julian is not Vera's birth son. What they did to Marin (his mother and Heather's to- to-fore lover and girlfriend) makes it likely she's not walking the surface of this earth.
We have the doctor who attended Julian's birth (but not really) more or less knows the truth or not, and has now had his throat cut.
And Julian (who I mistakenly named "Justin" last post) is having doubts about his situation and is maybe now going to ask for help from Harry Ambrose. I believe he's starting to realize what he's been told about death and what it really means. He had to lie for Vera and how can she make him do that knowing what he's been told about lying splitting up a person? What is truth? What is a lie? What is Vera?
That's about the gist of Episode 3. I'd welcome any more feedback.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 20:49:47 GMT -5
Forgot to add something. That was when the police was looking through the doctor's house (the one who signed Julian's birth certificate) and they found some kind of stone phallic symbol tucked away which resembled the larger stone in that house on the grounds of Mosswood Groves. That was where sweet Vera standing in front of it had what looked like some kind of giant orgasm. I think we can now kind of know what is wrong with her. Question: Who killed the doctor or did he off himself with a knife across his neck? They didn't give much information about that such as where was the knife, etc. Did someone follow Harry and Heather to the doctor's house?
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Post by raybar on Aug 18, 2018 16:34:28 GMT -5
I haven't forgotten about this, Lily. I need to see it again before saying anything, but it probably won't be much different from what you said.
One thing I was not clear on was Heather saying (something like) "she's not the mother," meaning Vera is not Julian's mother, I suppose. But I don't remember anyone reacting to this revelation. Maybe I took a micro nap. Or maybe they will address it next episode.
I watched Episode 1 again to check on the ponytailed guy Heather recognized at Mosswood. He is seen at the motel when Heather and Ambrose enter the motel office to talk to the motel man. He was not there when the "family" checked into the motel, nor when Heather first visits the crime scene. When we do see him, Mr. Ponytail says something like "let me know if you need any help with that demolition," and walks out just as Heather and Ambrose enter. This is the second day after the murders. So it is unlikely that he had anything to do with the killings, but it would explain how Vera knew to come looking for Julian.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 18:37:23 GMT -5
Yes, I think you'd taken a micro-nap or I'm not really understanding what you're asking. Ambrose and Heather visited about the only doctor in town that would have attended the birth of Julian. After some probing it was learned that the doctor had been called after the so-called fact of Vera giving birth. He was not actually there but signed the birth certificate as Vera being the mother anyway. And that was the doctor that was either murdered or committed suicide. I'm not sure which.
As far as the pony-tailed guy, I really should go back to the first episode and take a look as to when and where he appeared. It's really not clear to me at all what his role was in finding the couple and the child and the eventual poisoning. He had to have had orders from the psychopath witch, and I believe that she learned about the Niagara Falls story from him over-hearing them saying so or from Julian himself, because no way was she letting them take him for any reason whatsoever.
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Post by raybar on Aug 20, 2018 13:50:06 GMT -5
In Los Angeles there are trucks and buses of various descriptions which are painted such that the entire vehicle becomes an ad. They're basically rolling billboards. They just drive around, doing no actual work, hoping people will notice them. I just saw one this morning on the way back from Home Depot. It was a full size bus, completely painted a strange greenish or teal (or something) color, and had "The Sinner" and "FYC" (For Your Consideration in voting for Emmy awards) all over it in large white letters. This was, naturally, in the Burbank media district near Disney, Universal, and Warner Bros., where industry people might see it. Whether they will pay any attention to it is questionable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 12:42:07 GMT -5
I guess the purpose is to make more people aware of the series and then get to increase the number of people watching it? That is one type of award isn't it? The popularity regarding numbers? As far as judges being influenced by seeing the ads, I would hope not, except to make sure they watch it. I, myself, was influenced by seeing that The Sinner Season 2 was in existence by a post here. I don't remember by whom, Debutante? Too bad she got mad and decided not to participate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 12:16:13 GMT -5
I've been attempting to comment about The Sinner episode 4, but I haven't had the energy or much of a motivation. This episode is really all over the place and to pin it down would take a few posts. No, thank you. I will say this much, though. Vera is EVIL! and whatever you do, do NOT accept a cup of tea from that bitch! So, now we get to learn (I hope) what happened to Ambrose overnight. Do we care? Yeah, I do. Anyway, now I get to watch episode 5. Come to think of it, is this season 2 also just 10 episodes? I just assumed. And you know what they say about assuming anything.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 11:56:35 GMT -5
I'll be watching episode 5 sometime today. Has anyone else watched it?
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Post by raybar on Aug 31, 2018 16:16:01 GMT -5
Yes, I have seen episode 5. And yes, the investigation in episode 4 was all over the place, as follows - -
- Reading Dr. Poole's journal sends Ambrose and Heather to a psychiatric institute to visit Carmen Bell, a woman who sued Dr. Poole for malpractice. There is a photo in the journal of a man we will soon learn is "The Deacon" from Mosswood, and also drawings similar to what Julian was doing on the floor of Cora's office. And, of course, it just so happens that Ambrose's mother was a patient at the Institute years ago. .
- Ambrose visits a legal archive to view the deposition against Poole, but it just so happens that it had been stolen earlier that day by "a very thin man." At the Institute, the camera lingered on a thin old man sitting in a chair. It didn't just move past him as if he was a meaningless extra. Is this the thief?
- Heather learns online what the little tattoo on Marin's wrist means, and finds reference to the book "Escaping the Labyrinth" by Lionel Jefferies - - "The Deacon" of Mosswood. The same image as the tattoo is featured prominently in Poole's journal, along with drawings similar to Julian's.
- It just so happens that Jefferies' publisher, Banyan Tree Publishers (“Books for Enlightenment”), is located in nearby Buffalo, NY. So Heather pays them a visit. And it just so happens that the woman she speaks to has a copy of "Escaping the Labyrinth" right there on her desk, along with an envelop that, just so happens, to have the exact address on it that Heather needs at that exact moment.
- The address on the envelop is a self-storage company in Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada, which just so happens to be less than 20 miles from Buffalo, so Heather pays them a visit too. Heather is not only out of her jurisdiction, as she was in Buffalo, she's now in a different country. Nevertheless, although she has no authority whatever, the self-storage man allows her to search the unit and to take a vidoe tape she finds there.
Meanwhile, intercut with the investigation scenes, we have flashbacks to the fire that injured Ambrose's mother and to Heather and Marin, where we learn a little more about these events.
Now, that's all fine, despite the excessive number of convenient coincidences. I'm thinking of programming a hot-key to type "it just so happens" for me. But Ambrose's visit to Cora at Mosswood is absolutely ludicrous from the moment he falls and twists his ankle. When that happened, Cora had just stepped out of frame, so she was right there, just a few steps ahead of him. In real life she would probably have heard him fall, and absolutely would have heard him call her name. But she never comes back, and never sends anyone looking for him.
Just after Ambrose struggles to his feet and begins walking as well as he can, there is a wide shot showing a bright blue sky and plenty of light under the trees. It is full day, not yet even late afternoon. A little later, after scenes with Heather and Officer Brink, and of Heather and Marin, we see Ambrose again, apparently still lost in the woods, in failing light. Later still, as dusk is fading into night, he finally finds a cabin with lights on. I have to guess here, but this 4 to 6 hours after he fell. Cora has let an inured police officer wander around her property without assistance for long enough to be charged with criminal negligence. I find that completely unrealistic and unbelievable. And she says, "Oh, there you are," when he enters the cabin as if nothing has happened.
A few minutes late, she comes on to him - or something. What the hell was that? And when he asks what's happening she says something like, "I don't know. There's no way to know." Yeah, right. Give me a break.
Then, cut to Ambrose waking up somewhere, apparently not knowing where he is or how he got there. This is resolved in the next episode, but now it's time for obscenities, as in, give me a fucking break.
I'll stop here. Let us know when you've seen episode 5.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 20:47:15 GMT -5
Thanks, Raybar. I'm not reading your post yet, and I haven't watched episode 5 yet. I've just had too much running around and other things to do. I really like the series, so it's not because I don't. I really want to watch it tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 19:48:54 GMT -5
I apologize, Raybar, but I have not been keeping up with The Sinner, but I will still do so. Just so much going on with me. I will now read what you wrote about episode 5 (I think it was episode 5) which in general was too filled with a lot going with no real substance to talk about that made any difference to the plot, in my opinion.
But I will view the next 1 or 2 (I've lost track) episodes and I'll see what I can come with out of those.
Another thing which I really didn't want to say, but I guess better that I do, is that I've really lost interest in FACTS. Nothing has really changed in being interesting and actually has gone even worse in that way. There's just too little there. But it will go on and I'm sure of that, so that's positive for those of you who are hanging on there with each other. It's a friendship thing and interest in keeping things in an active critical way. If there's some other forums that you all still here find interesting, I would appreciate being informed about it. I won't be deleting my account so you all can always message me that way.
So, anyway, I'll be back soon.
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Post by raybar on Sept 12, 2018 20:13:44 GMT -5
Hey Lily. Good to hear from you. How was the hurricane at your house?
Tonight is The Sinner episode 7 (of 8 episodes, I think). I've seen all the previous shows, but I have stopped trying to keep track of all the details or making any notes. As you said, there's too much of that, although it's not unexpected in a series about a murder investigation. All will be revealed soon. I hope. Remember the promo?" You know what, you know how, but you won't believe why." We shall see.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 21:10:03 GMT -5
Hey Lily. Good to hear from you. How was the hurricane at your house? Tonight is The Sinner episode 7 (of 8 episodes, I think). I've seen all the previous shows, but I have stopped trying to keep track of all the details or making any notes. As you said, there's too much of that, although it's not unexpected in a series about a murder investigation. All will be revealed soon. I hope. Remember the promo?" You know what, you know how, but you won't believe why." We shall see. So , there's only eight episodes? I thought I read wrong when I first hear that. For heaven's sakes why! How rude. Lol Okay, I'll be back soon. Oh, check your PM.
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Post by raybar on Sept 13, 2018 14:24:48 GMT -5
episode 5 . . . which in general was too filled with a lot going with no real substance to talk about that made any difference to the plot . . . I'm glad you said that, Lily, because it focused my thoughts on why I don't really care about this story. I think the primary problem with "The Sinner" is that the series is so relentlessly about the investigation that Ambrose and Heather - - the leading characters - - barely have a story of their own. They're cops conducting an investigation. They have no real conflicts and no moral choices to make. So why would I care about them, or look forward to the next episode? Oh well. One more episode to go. I can hardly wait.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 17:14:19 GMT -5
I watched Episode 6 yesterday. Finally, that was more interesting. After Vera brought The Beacon a mug of tea, I thought that might have turned out to be him in the car in the river. But anyway he seems to have disappeared soon after he took the baby away from the women. For sure don't get on the wrong side of that woman. Come to think of it I don't remember having an explanation of what happened, if anything, between Vera and Ambrose after she served him tea before that lost night. I'm thinking that it was her that told Julian to bring the poison tea to the man and woman who escaped with him from Mosswood, and she told her it was okay because they would "begin again" after they died. He's starting to realize that he's been lied to--alot.
All these questions are coming up and there are only two more (at least for me, I still have to watch episode 7 which I will do today and then I'll be caught up) episodes to solve it all. I still can't believe there's only eight episodes.
Hurricane Lane fizzled out before it got that far up the island chain. Thank goodness for wind shear, which also fizzled out Olivia. So, the Big Island and Maui got the worst of both of them (lots of flooding) but pretty much spared Oahu and Kauai.
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