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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 17:40:20 GMT -5
Does anyone know of any current critical thinking forums? I would really like to know and maybe participate in one, as long as it was an open-minded type forum. There is a debate forum that I'm thinking of participating in, which is actually a really thinking type forum and not an arguing one's perspective but being intelligent and open-minded enough to argue both sides which is what debate type instruction was all about. I do remember that.
I'm just really sorry and depressed that this political forum was ever established. It's really sad, actually. But then, it's actuallyeasier than to really have to think. And let's face it, most of what has been posted here regarding politics has been simply undisguised racism, which has been promoted and encouraged from the the top.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Post by debutante on May 31, 2018 19:25:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 21:09:05 GMT -5
Oh, you can believe I'm giving it a rest when you never hear from me again on this message board. But would I be willing to look fora REAL critical thinking board? You bet'cha! If a tree falls down in a forest when there's no one around to hear it, did it really fall down? Ask Bob.
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Post by debutante on May 31, 2018 21:20:45 GMT -5
If a tree falls in a forest and there's no one to hear it, then my illegal logging business is a success!
As far as what you've said.
Yawn.
Truth is Lily... I am tired of your hissy fits every time someone says something you don't like. Grow the hell up already.
--Debutante
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Post by debutante on May 31, 2018 21:33:20 GMT -5
Oh, and since I'm on a roll....
If you think you're going to find another critical thinking board where you can abuse people and they're going to sit still and take it -- think again.
People are not always going to agree with your opinions. And you'd better get used to it because that's the way the world works. Unless you find a board where everyone is willing to cater to you and agree with you 100% of the time you will NEVER be happy and you will move from board to board looking for some utopia that doesn't exist.
Guess what! LOTS AND LOTS OF PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE OBAMA. Deal with it. That's reality. An adult knows that people disagree about things and doesn't go around yelling racist and pouting and screaming that they're going to take their marbles and go play somewhere else.
I said nothing for a long time when you abused Bob and I should have. He didn't deserve half the abuse you heaped on him because you can't discuss anything like an adult.
I probably will get banned for this and frankly I don't really care. I actually think it's high time someone told you the truth because unless you acknowledge this aspect of yourself you will never find happiness. You're always going to think someone is doing something TO YOU simply because they have their own ideas.
I am not doing anything TO YOU. I am simply stating what I (and everyone who lives in Chicago) knows to be true. If you can't deal with it THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM.
Deal with it.
In case you're wondering, I am not really angry with you. I know this is part of your personality and I actually do forgive you for this nonsense today. But stop with the drama already.
--Debutante
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 17:32:38 GMT -5
Guess what? I've been on one other board since December and it's been totally fine because mainly YOU'RE NOT THERE because no politics allowed.
We did have good times before this "thing" happened to you. We had our STORY, and knitting and dolls and chess, etc. It was you that changed. I'm very sorry about that, because I did like you and I still do thinking back of how it used to be.
I'm really sorry, but I know it can't be changed. But I'll remember our good times, in spite of our political differences and just about our view of what is the world.
So, goodbye. What else can I say.
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Post by debutante on Jun 1, 2018 18:20:19 GMT -5
I'm glad you're having fun. I also know it will only last as long as someone doesn't say anything to disagree with you.
However, this is still a free country. And people are free to scream "Obama was a lousy president" at the top of their lungs if they want and there really isn't anything you can do about it. Until you realize that other people have rights to their own opinions, you're always going to run into problems and that's reality.
Stay or go -- it's up to you. I am not angry at you. I still consider you a friend. But I will not keep quiet about things I believe in simply to make you happy. You can criticize Trump all you like. That's your right. I don't agree of course. But that's the way it is.
One other thing. Be advised -- if you stay -- I will no longer sit back and say nothing if I feel you are being unreasonable toward other people when they express their opinions. It's okay to disagree. That's your right. But I will no longer say nothing if you start with the name calling.
I am not happy that I kept quiet when you ranted and raved at people when they said something you disagreed with (and got really nasty). I quietly sat and said nothing in the face of injustice. This is a character flaw I intend to correct. I have already apologized to the one person on this board I should have defended on many occasions (and didn't) simply because I didn't want to become confrontational for personal reasons.
But personal reasons (as I have subsequently discovered) do not excuse one from responsibility.
That does not mean that I will be "lying in wait" to attack you for every little misstep. But if you go really off the deep end on someone else for saying what they believe -- I will call you on it.
Oh...and I really did not "change". If you want to know what happened....let's just say I "released" some blocks that were in place that originally weren't. So I am actually back to being the person I was before a lot of things happened in my life.
I have spent a great deal of my life saying nothing. And it has made many people happy -- but it didn't do very much for me.
In terms of my politics -- Joan will tell you that I told her years ago I was a liberal until I was fourteen when someone pulled a gun on me at a political meeting my school sent me to as their representative. This was run by a group of liberals. When I asked the people who ran it to call the police -- they told me this individual had a "right" to express his dissatisfaction with society because his people had faced discrimination.
We had been discussing prison reform. What I had said was simply this: "Before we make recommendations, perhaps we should arrange to tour a prison so that we can get an idea of what the conditions are -- then we will be better able to come up with a comprehensive plan."
Apparently, he became offended that I was unwilling to proclaim that conditions were completely horrible sight unseen.
The moment I realized that these ADULT liberals running this program thought it was "okay" for an ADULT with a gun who had crashed this meeting to pull a gun on me a 14 year old high school Freshman...that was the EXACT moment in time I became a Conservative. I realized the HYPOCRISY of people who proclaimed the "rights" of certain people over my "right" to life.
So no -- I haven't changed. I am who I have always been since that moment in time. I have just decided it is time to stop being silent.
--Debutante
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 18:35:51 GMT -5
It is over. I will never understand you and you will never understand me. I accept that. I am wishing everything different from how you think. We know that already. And go ahead and have your fantasy that I'm doing so terrible away from you and this new forum has everyone arguing with me and I with them. Yes, there is distention as to politics in most forums. But the forum I am on since December when I left here had gone through this kind of thing we have here, and it was voted by the members that we don't have that anymore. So, in spite of your opinion, there are many people that are not interested in that type of political arguments that carry such bad feelings with each other. So, I admire that decision and I am very, very happy there.
I'm just sorry that FACTS went that way, as I've said over and over again for years now, And look what it brought us. How many regular posters now? Maybe five or six? And even new members either never post except one or two times or usually they turn out to be spammers.
So, have your opinion and fantasy. There really are mature minded posters out there, thankfully. And that's where I will stay.
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Post by debutante on Jun 1, 2018 18:51:47 GMT -5
Good Luck and be happy.
Door is always open.
--Debutante
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 19:01:45 GMT -5
Good Luck and be happy. Door is always open. --Debutante Thank you for that, Deb. I really mean it. We had some good times and I will always remember that. Maybe somehow FACTS could be changed to the way it used to be. We can always hope. And I will seriously think about your invitation to come through the open door sometimes. I really in my heart don't want our friendship or FACTS to end. Yes, I get feelings that upset me, but as the story goes, it wouldn't if I didn't care. And I do. I still care about FACTS and all our history together very much. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 5:33:23 GMT -5
I haven't found any, myself.
Usually, these kind of discussion groups tend to circle around one particular set of beliefs that all of their members share, be they religious, atheist, or one particular political affiliation.
There are a lot of discussion groups centered around common interests. But apparently, "Critical thinking" or "critical discussion" by itself are probably too vague and too easily misused a term to be seen as an actual common interest by people the way they see book reading or knitting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 5:34:52 GMT -5
That said, Lily, if all you're trying to do is to recapture a past you remember fondly, you're probably setting yourself up for disappointment by default.
You know that's not how things work.
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Post by faskew on Jun 3, 2018 8:27:12 GMT -5
Lily - like I said, just stay away from the political section of the board. And maybe Deb's topics. 8->
I, for one, don't want you to completely leave.
Fred
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 2:03:51 GMT -5
Lily - like I said, just stay away from the political section of the board. And maybe Deb's topics. 8-> I, for one, don't want you to completely leave. Fred How can I do that when 99% of what is posted here is either political or esoteric philosophies? Some of the the stuff posted here is so absolutely egregiously racist or so one-sided politically that who in their right mind would want to stay here? In another forum those kind of writings would have the writer banned. There's no excuse for this kind of stuff. . And see what has happened to FACTS because of being so "open-minded'? You have just about killed yourselves off. Get real--it's over! |
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Post by faskew on Jun 6, 2018 8:18:02 GMT -5
Lily - Fight the good fight. Point out errors in thinking, falsehoods, etc., where you see them People probably won't change their minds, but far too many people these days live in the famous echo chambers where they only see and hear ideas that they already agree with. It's healthy for people to encounter opposition, however rare. And to be asked to support or defend their beliefs.
It's difficult not to become emotional, but calm explanations are the best. Maybe it's because I grew up surrounded by evangelical Christians who enjoyed beating up those who disagreed with them, but I think it's a good thing to openly oppose certain ideas. Not easy, not fun, but good for humanity.
We need your help. 8->
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