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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 7:10:02 GMT -5
Just look at this idiotic tweet of his:
(twitter link doesn't work so...) The point of a healthcare company is to make money with healthcare, plain and simple, just like it's the point of a farm to make money with food, and the point of a phone company to make money with phones! Who is voting for this insane madman?  ??!!!!! |
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Post by debutante on Aug 16, 2019 9:24:48 GMT -5
True, he is an idiot and knows Jack shit.
Every indigent person who bothers to take the time and walks his ass down to social services gets public aid. If they don't bother to apply, that's why they aren't covered. You'd be amazed by how many people are just too tired to make that trip down to social services. I ought to know, having helped these people apply ex post facto more times than I care to remember.
The problem is twofold.
One -- high insurance premiums for doctors and hospitals which drive up patient costs.
Two -- no caps on malpractice awards. Considering lawyers make their money on a percentage of what their clients receive -- they don't want this capped at all. It's gone into the stratosphere-- not because of reimbursement to the patient, but to the excessive amounts awarded, so that the attorneys can skim millions off the top.
This will not change because judges are lawyers and they're all in bed with one another.
You will NEVER EVER be able to cut off the lawyer gravy train.
Doctors are going out of business en masse (although the news isn't telling you this). And they want to cut their reimbursement another 40% (more will retire).
In the future, there will be very few doctors. Most things will be handled by nurse practitioners (who are trained, albeit not as well).
There will be "death panels" (although they won't call them that). The government will decide who will live, and who will die. (Remember those little kids in England whose parents couldn't get them out of the country even though they had privately raised the funds for treatment? The government FORCED THE DEATH OF THEIR CHILDREN).
You want this shit because you really don't understand it. If you did, you would realize how full of shit Bernie and his ilk really are.
You can't have open borders and free medical care for all. That is insane.
The system as it is barely works. and these clowns want to overload it more with illegal aliens.
What is needed is torte reform. Cuts on what fees attorneys can charge their clients would bring the cost of medical care down drastically.
That would bring down the cost of malpractice insurance. In turn, that would bring down the cost of medical care.
That will NEVER happen because everyone in government is a lawyer and they take care of their own.
--Debutante
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Post by rmarks1 on Aug 16, 2019 12:14:18 GMT -5
That quote from Bernie is so funny.
What he doesn't bother to tell you is that there is no evidence the system he proposes will provide good health care for everyone. And Bernie also didn't bother to give any evidence that his proposed health care plan is any better than what we already have in place.
Bob
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 14:33:00 GMT -5
On top of that, he thinks that it's not the point of healthcare to make money, which is just absurd on its face.
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Post by debutante on Aug 16, 2019 16:30:46 GMT -5
Of course not! They should work for free!
A doctor goes to school for 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, 3 to 7 years of residency depending on the specialty, 1 to 3 years of a fellowship depending on the specialty (all this education paid for at his own cost)!
Then when he gets into private practice, he works a 40 to 60 hour week depending on the specialty. Plus he has the joy of taking call! If he doesn't have to go in, the phone will probably ring twelve to fifteen times during the night waking up everyone in the house, but whose counting?
He is never home on holidays, birthdays, wedding anniversaries, graduations, and seldom makes the kid's special events (school plays, singing solos at concerts etc., getting awards for academic performances)
Hell -- when his wife goes into labor a month prematurely with their first child and it screws up the surgery schedule, he wants to leave her alone in labor while he goes off to save the world!! She's really happy about that!
And of course he doesn't have to pay rent for office space, or buy any equipment for said office space, or have a computer package wherein the system changes every year so the developers can make money necessitating retraining the office staff.
And the office staff-- they work for FREE! He doesn't have to pay them salaries in your imaginary world, or insurance, or contribute to their retirement package. And he doesn't have to pay a janitor because the office magically cleans itself!
And then there are the patients who can't pay. And the patients who won't pay. And the patients that spend the insurance check on a trip to Vegas because they think the insurance company sent them free money and it wasn't for paying the doctor. Then they try to talk themelves out of paying the bill because after all they didn't know that the check was to pay the doctor. I could go on and on.
You know not that you know not.
Whatever money in medicine was in past years. And even then, every penny was deserved for all the family time sacrificed, not to mention the physical strain on health due to lost sleep and being pushed beyond limits of endurance when needed.
I don't know why anyone would bother to go into medicine these days. The hours and aggravation are not adequately compensated.
My husband was a brilliant physician and his patients begged him not to retire. But it was no longer profitable to keep the doors open. And the government forms kept changing which necessitated retraining every year. And that damn EPIC irritated him. He decided it was more trouble than it was worth.
Everyone he knows that's still in practice wants out ASAP. And they are advising their kids not to follow in their footsteps.
--Debutante
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Post by rmarks1 on Aug 16, 2019 17:33:48 GMT -5
On top of that, he thinks that it's not the point of healthcare to make money, which is just absurd on its face.
That's right! Medical care should be so cheap that cab drivers get paid more than doctors, just like they do in Cuba.
Of course then you have to bribe the doctor to get good service, just like this Cuban cab driver does.
Bob
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Post by faskew on Aug 17, 2019 8:05:02 GMT -5
>There will be "death panels" (although they won't call them that). The government will decide who will live, and who will die.
---We already have death panels, except they're called "insurance companies", not governments. For most people, if the insurance won't pay for it, they can't get it.
---I know a guy here in Austin whose wife needs a certain medicine that costs $5,000 per month. The insurance won't pay for it and she can't afford it. Now the exact same medicine costs about $200 in Europe, but no company in Europe will agree to send some here. So the insurance death panel has condemned his wife and the ONLY options he has are (1) become a smuggler and sneak that med into the US or (2) move to Europe or (3) watch his wife die.
---There was an article a few years ago about medical care in the Austin area. Turns out that some hospitals charge literally 10 times more than others for the same care. So one might charge $1k while the one down the road might charge $10K for the same thing. Patients don't get to choose which hospital is used. The doctors pick, often based on kickbacks or part ownership in the hospital or other financial things.
---Oh, and Deb, poor folk getting government aid varies from state to state. In Republican Texas, it's not easy. And we have millions of illegals (and others) who have very little money and no health insurance (illegals can't use government programs here). We also have the highest or one of the highest rates of uninsured citizens in the US. Which means that patients show up at emergency rooms for routine problems because no one else will see them. And taxpayers foot the bill for that overpriced emergency-room care when it would have been cheaper to see a GP.
------Our healthcare system is well and truly screwed. I don't know what the answer is, but leaving things as they are cannot be tolerated. I often joke to friends that if they need medical care they can't afford, the best bet is to turn to crime. If successful, they get money. If they fail, they get locked up and get the free (but inferior) medical care.
---Sometimes there simply are no good options. 8-<
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Post by debutante on Aug 17, 2019 9:37:27 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
What the government should do (and won't do) is get hold of doctors like my husband and get them to solve the problems.
As it stands, they ask the AMA for advice. The problem is that these are academic doctors who haven't seen actual patients in a clinical setting in only God knows how long. So their opinions on how to run things mean nothing because they haven't been "in the trenches" fighting the good fight.
Docs like my husband who have been through hell and lived to tell the tale have a more realistic view of what is really going on in hospitals. But nobody ever asks them their opinion about anything. How crazy is that?
Since the day he retired, I have been hounding my husband to write President Trump and volunteer his services as a consultant because I KNOW he could help straighten out this mess. He knows what works, what doesn't, what's a waste of time, what more is needed, what there is too much of -- and this brilliant man is sitting around the house tinkering with gardening plants. He laughs when I tell him the President would love to hear from someone who actually does know what's going on. And there are many of his physician friends (also retired) who are doing the same thing. They quit because they were disgusted. So there is plenty of available talent sitting on its ass.
Unfortunately, the government will continue to deal with those morons in the AMA who do nothing but charge dues and screw things up because they haven't a clue what goes on in a real hospital setting.
The drug thing is a nightmare which, is why Trump is working on it. The last I heard this was on the immediate horizon so there should be some relief on that front soon. Is the drug your friend's wife needs available in a generic brand? There's usually a huge difference in price if a generic can be used. But sometimes it is absolutely necessary to go with the name brand. She should ask her doc about that.
Truthfully though,my husband would tell you that unless they cap the amounts lawyers can skim off the top of malpractice awards; nothing will ever get better.
Nobody begrudges a patient compensation in the event of a genuine screw up -- it's the multi-million dollar fees per case that the lawyers charge that caused medical fees to shoot through the roof. That money has to come from somewhere and it gets tacked on to hospital and doctor fees.
It doesn't matter if the doctor has never ever been sued -- the premiums for insurance are still astronomical.
--Debutante
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Post by debutante on Aug 17, 2019 10:34:47 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
He just reminded me:
Does your friend's wife have Medicare Part D? They have been know to pay for very expensive drugs monthly.
Also, some of my husband's patients had drugs shipped in through Canada. Canadians will honor a USA doctor's prescription. Have them check online Canadian pharmaceutical suppliers.
--Debutante
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 12:50:07 GMT -5
On top of that, he thinks that it's not the point of healthcare to make money, which is just absurd on its face. That's right! I agree! Once you stop running things with the sole point of making money, you get North Korea. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 12:53:52 GMT -5
Of course not! They should work for free! That's an excellent proposal! There are so many suckers who will do anything if you tell them that it makes them a good person, or that "god" wants them to do it, and all that claptrap. We just need to dress it up as some charity crap and we'll be up to our eyes in young med school graduates. |
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Post by debutante on Aug 17, 2019 14:01:43 GMT -5
In your dreams.
--Debutante
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Post by rmarks1 on Aug 17, 2019 14:04:52 GMT -5
I agree! Once you stop running things with the sole point of making money, you get North Korea.
Once again, you edited the quote. Here is the full quote of what I said:
You are being sarcastic, but you are actually right about this. Not only do you get North Korea. You also get Cuba, Venezueal, and the old Soviet Union. In all those places, doctors were not permitted to make more money.
The result was that people had to bribe doctors to get better service.
Bob
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Post by rmarks1 on Aug 17, 2019 19:10:21 GMT -5
I don't know if Bernie is insane. But he is certainly VERY WRONG.
So Bernie Sanders may not be crazy. But he certainly doesn't know what he is talking about.
Bob
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 15:54:24 GMT -5
I agree! Once you stop running things with the sole point of making money, you get North Korea.
Once again, you edited the quote. Here is the full quote of what I said:
You are being sarcastic, but you are actually right about this. Not only do you get North Korea. You also get Cuba, Venezueal, and the old Soviet Union. In all those places, doctors were not permitted to make more money.
The result was that people had to bribe doctors to get better service.
Bob
I agree. All of Europe is basically exactly like the USSR already.
There are death panels where bureaucrats decide which treatment is to be paid for and which constitutes a pre-existing condition that people need to pay out of pocket. Bureaucrats decide which health insurance people are getting and for how long. And in hospitals, people crowd emergency rooms because medical emergencies are the only medical treatments that are done free of charge. |
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Post by debutante on Aug 24, 2019 16:13:45 GMT -5
Drug prices are cheaper in other countries because people in the United States are overcharged substantially to make up for their discounts. Although the drug companies will never admit that.
-- Debutante
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 16:47:05 GMT -5
They do, they just claim they are using all those profits to fund research, as if private companies didn't exist to generate money for their owners.
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