"Q" has been busy today...

I don't get most of them. As to Dem politicians getting money, I suspect it's true. Except that, to be fair, they should list the hundreds of millions that Rep politicians are sucking up. Left sites often post lists of how much money Reps are getting from various organizations, and then how that seemed to set up a vote for or against something the donor wanted. Both parties are corrupt. Even if the Democratic Party shut down today and disappeared, nothing would change. 8-<

Actually the Q stuff looks pretty much like the stuff from the far left, only with different bad guys. The Q gang seems to believe that the Dems have all sorts of hidden organization and power, while the leftys believe it's the Reps with all the secrets and plots. Each group thinks it represents the majority of Americans, but each group is actually only a very, very tiny section of the population. As for Trump, he has as many foes in the Republican Party as he does among the Dems. It's just that they rarely state their true feelings in public.

As I have pointed out before, it's not illegal to try to remove a politician from office, even using false claims. That's just the way the politics game is played. Remember all those years when Trump and others kept claiming that Obama couldn't be president because he wasn't born in the US? Even after it was proved (by the Republican governor of Hawaii) that Obama was born in Honolulu, Trump kept gnawing away at it, claiming that he had secret info that he was about to release any day that would get Obama out of office. Years passed, and the secret info never appeared. And nothing bad ever happened to Trump for his lies.

It can be illegal to commit perjury, but perjury is not treason. And it's not illegal at all to make up lies about politicians. You're allowed to have an opinion, even if it's stupid. The right freaks out about the possibility of illegals voting, but is totally silent about the potential effect of Russian meddling in 2016 and again in 2020. Like Jimmy Carter said, it's possible that Trump may not be a legitimate president, that Russian inference may have stolen the election.

At any rate, like most conspiracy theories, the idea that the Dems would be all-powerful and at the same time so totally incompetent is simply silly. Again, I offer my services to the highest bidder. If you're tired of everyone knowing about your conspiracies and would like something more sophisticated than what a bunch of 10-year-olds seemed to cobble together, come to me. I can give you a conspiracy that (1) no one will know about and (2) will actually work. 8->

Hi Fred:

Ah...I still don't believe Obama was who he said he was. Nobody seals all their records unless they have something to hide.

I do know he was not born in Hawaii despite what that phoney certificate says. Another Dem covered for him, and he sold this bullshit to a lot of people. But since the lady in Hawaii ended up subsequently dying in a plane crash (how convenient for him) -- that pretty much proves it's a scam to anyone with half a brain.

Besides, his grandmother said he was born in Kenya. Having grown up in a neighborhood with an "old lady network" -- I can tell you that grannies can put the CIA and FBI to shame with their information gathering capabilities. I'd believe a granny before I'd take the word of a Democrat.

Incidently, the Dems won't get away with this a second time. I've already seen Kamala Harris's birth certificate and she is not eligible to run for president. It's already out there for public viewing.

As for conspiracies -- no. I don't think "Q" is a conspiracy. The team puts out certain questions and encourages people to research. If someone who is a "Q" follower and not a member of the "Q" team, comes up with something that is off the wall -- that doesn't mean it is "Q". Discernment is required.

This stuff with Epstein -- "Q" wrote about this a lot (I think the count is 32 times).

Did I believe it when I first heard it? Yes. Why? Personal experience.

When I was...I think 23 or 24 (don't remember exactly) I had a part time job which put me on the periphery of contact with extremely wealthy people in Chicago. This was before the business my husband and I started "clicked" -- so I wanted a little spending money that didn't have to be rerouted back into the business. Hence, my temporary stint in this occupation.

Anyway...the people who worked with me turned out to be a surprisingly eclectic bunch -- not at all what I expected.

Two of them in particular fascinated me. One was the runaway daughter of a US ambassador who despised her father and had nothing good to say about him. The second was a "mystery" -- she told nobody anything about herself. BUT...these two girls seemed to know each other very well.

One day, they invited me to lunch. During the course of the meal the ambassador's daughter said something about "the Illuminati". I had no idea what she was talking about, but the other girl turned white as a sheet and panicked.

She told the ambassador's daughter to shut up before someone overheard and they were "found out". I gathered the girl felt they were in hiding from someone called the "Illuminati" (whoever they were).

I can tell when someone is genuinely scared to death and that girl was -- the ambassador's daughter less so -- she was more of a hard type of person -- as in "I've seen it all."

They dropped the topic and I didn't ask any questions. Later that week, I walked to the public library and looked up "Illuminati" to find out who they were talking about.

Then I quit the job because it occurred to me that if those people were looking for them, being around those girls-- might not be a good place to be. There are, after all, many other jobs to be had which don't involve coworkers being chased by Satanic cults.

So -- when "Q" began talking about these people-- I already knew they existed since I was in my twenties and wasn't the least bit surprised by anything the "Q" team said.

So no...this isn't a conspiracy because I met two girls who had (at some point in their lives) contact with them.

--Debutante

BTW, here are some other conspiracy theories. Keep in mind that thousands (millions?) of people actually believe these, regardless of how goofy they may sound. From an article on Wired News about classic internet conspiracy theories. They also give the history of Q, how it started, who created it, etc.

Classic Internet Conspiracy Theories

* The Berenstain Bears
You remember reading the classic children's books, The Berenstein Bears, right? Wrong. Those bears weren't Berensteins at all, but rather Berenstains. Some Berenstein truthers are so sure of their childhood memories they've become convinced they hail from an alternate universe-photoshopped that pesky "ai" out of many an old snapshot to prove it.

* Immortal Vampire Celebrities
A number of old paintings and high-contrast, low-resolution daguerreotypes kinda sorta look like Nicolas Cage. And John Travolta, Michael Cera, Peter Dinklage, Eddie Murphy, and, most of all, Keanu Reeves. So obviously: Jack Black is really Paul Revere! Travolta can time travel, or he's a vampire doomed to fight Cage forever! Reeves' graceful aging is evidence of his immortality!

* Flat Earthers
We are all victims of a vast "globularist" conspiracy spread by elites who don't want you to know the truth: The planet is flat, gravity doesn't exist, the moon and sun are the same size and orbit the north pole, and every single astronaut is a gosh darn liar. Why? Because the US faked the moon landing, duh. Why is Earth the only flat planet? It's just unique! Why do objects fall if there's no gravity? Listen, things just fall, OK?

* Finland and Australia Don't Exist
Forget the existence of 30-some million Finnish and Australian citizens. The internet knows the real truth: Those people are actors and bots, and their countries don't even exist. Finland, the theory goes, was invented by Japan and Russia after the Cold War to secure additional fishing rights for sushi-loving Japan. And as for Australia? The UK actually just offed those convicts rather than ship them halfway around the world.

* The Very Bad No Good Large Hadron Collider
We'll admit it: Smacking subatomic particles together in an underground complex does seem like supervillain behavior. In the years leading up to the collider being turned on, many became convinced its experiments would open an Earth-gobbling black hole-and that the many delays in its construction weren't due to its expensiveness, size, or mechanical complexity, but rather to time-traveling saboteurs trying to stop that black hole from destroying us all.

Hi Fred:

Re: The Illuminati

This article popped up on one of the "Q" related boards. There's a link to a video where the man talks about his experience with the Illuminati. At one point, he begins to tear up. It's really very...sad in a way...knowing that he apparently may have been killed by them eventually. The circumstances surrounding his death are questionable.

But as you can see, as I told you -- it does exist.

newspunch.com/dutch-banker-illuminati-dead/

--Debutante

Hi Fred:

Actually, I can produce as many articles quoting granny as you care to see. So, yes -- she said it.

Why would he lie? Perhaps because nothing about him is true. If we ran a DNA test on the guy -- perhaps we'd find out none of the players in this saga were on the level.

I read (several years ago) an interesting tale. It was about the opium trade -- specifically the poppy fields in Indonesia. The story went that a deal was struck between corrupt politicians and the ruling family. In exchange for an exclusive right to the opium trade, the corrupt politicians would allow a son of the ruling family to achieve a prominent position in their country. A very prominent position -- in fact, the highest one that could be held.

So the child was passed off as someone else's son. Someone through whom that child could claim "citizenship". Then eventually promoted by the corrupt politicians until he achieved the agreed upon position.

It was an interesting tale complete with comparative photos of this ruling family and this public figure. The resemblance was striking.

Whether this story is true or not -- it does raise an interesting possibility. Can a baby be passed off a belonging to someone other than the birth mother?

Well,we already know there's a whole lot of strange paperwork where that man is concerned. How does someone get a Connecticut social security number without ever having lived in Connecticut? Especially when the number was issued to another name?

I suspect NOTHING about that man is true.

In so far as the "Illuminati" goes -- here's a little saying my frat brothers were especially fond of:
"If ten men tell you you're drunk, you damn well better lie down."

When too many people say the exact same thing only a fool ignores it. Do you have to have an apple in your mouth and be lying on a serving plate for one of their cannibal feasts before you'd say, "Gee, that guy is chomping on my toes -- it must be true!"

-- Debutante

*edited for clarity

Hi Fred:

That's the rub there. You believe mainstream media, Democrats, and Obama.
I wouldn't believe anything any of these sources said if they stood on the altar of St. Peter's.

And his brother said he was born in Kenya too, by the way -- and still says it every chance he gets.

Who knows if Obama's mother is who she is reported to be? The man lied about EVERYTHING.

As for Trump, I think he just got sick of arguing with the dumbshits (and purposeful traitors) who worship at Obama's feet.

Did you watch that video link of the Dutch banker I posted? If you had, you'd realize he didn't believe in the Illuminati either UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE.

There it is in a nutshell. Waiting for "evidence" won't do you a damn bit of good if you are already dead because you didn't trust your instinct.

That Dutch guy is dead -- under strange circumstances. And I think he knew his days were numbered when he made that video, because by that time he learned who he was dealing with and their capabilities.

That's the problem with skeptics. They go around telling everyone not to believe in this kind of thing. So let's say someone believes your viewpoint and meets one of these creeps and decides that since it isn't "real" there is no cause for alarm.

Now if that individual comes to harm through association with that person (having been convinced by you there's no Illuminati) then when they end up dead -- whose fault is it? You tell me.

In the final analysis, a person has to trust their gut instinct. If you feel in danger, then likely there is a reason for it. I see no practical purpose in attempting to derail a natural instinct for self-preservation in human beings. It's inherent in the species.

If this were just something removed in a laboratory setting where circumstances were under experimental control --that's a horse of another color altogether. But out on the streets -- it's best to avoid anyone with an interest in Satanism because those people are dangerous.


--Debutante

Hi Fred:

Jeffrey Epstein -- now where have I heard that name before? Oh yeah, "Q"!

So let's not pretend the essential claim of "pizzgate" isn't true. It was: the rich, famous, and powerful sex traffic children.

I also can not prove (and neither can you) exactly where the details of the "pizza ordering" menu began. Nor can I say (and neither can you) that this element of it is not true. It more than probably is and more than likely -- once people inside the circle got wind of the fact that people "outside" of the circle were aware of their activities -- a campaign of disinformation was launched. Something that would make it seem absurd even though essentially it was the truth.

Because part of the information is wrong does not mean all of it is wrong.

Jeffrey Epstein is "Pizzagate" -- if not "top dog" than certainly in a position to know those who run the show.

If you can't see the red shoe, black left eye, pedo jewelry wearing scum for what they are -- it's not because it is a "conspiracy". They are what they are.

I've met a few Satanists when I was younger and NO THEY ARE NOT NICE.

It depends on what you mean by "nice" doesn't it? If you dislike following what polite society deems appropriate then a group who espouses "do what thou wilt" would appeal to you.

The problem is that what they "wilt" is frequently against the law (and rightly so). But I am a "nice person" in the general sense of the term and don't believe that anyone's "wilt" should infringe upon the rights of others.

I believe that children are sex trafficked. I believe that Satanists do kill people. I believe the rich, powerful, and famous, (not all, but many) do whatever they please and cover for each other.

The one thing I have a problem accepting is the reports of cannibalism. Intellectually, I realize anything is possible. Emotionally, the idea is so abhorrent that I can't believe anyone would do something like that.

HOWEVER: I have never let my emotions rule my head. So if the cops arrest these people and have the evidence of this type of activity -- I think if I was on jury duty I'd have no problem voting for conviction and maximum penalty under the law.

You -- I would never want you on any jury. You seem incapable of seeing things as they are because you are so busy trying to "debunk" them. There comes a point where you have to say people who witness and report are credible. If you are unable to do so -- how could you ever serve on a jury?

Think about that. Witness testimony counts for a lot in trials.

You do not believe ANYTHING anyone says they experience or observe.

Reconcile your attitude with the court system and give me your argument.

--Debutante

>I believe that children are sex trafficked. I believe that Satanists do kill people. I believe the rich, powerful, and famous, (not all, but many) do whatever they please and cover for each other.
---I agree with 2 out of 3 of these. Satanists were heavily investigated back in the 1990's during the big scare, and not a single case of a Satanist killing somebody was ever proved. Unlike the Catholic Church, there is no central Satanist master who makes the rules, so not all Satanists are alike. (For that matter, not all Catholics are alike.) There are many troubled teens and such who call themselves Satanists just to bug their parents or whatever, and they rarely know anything about what Satanists actually believe.

>then a group who espouses "do what thou wilt" would appeal to you.
---You left off the important part - so long as it does no harm. In other words, Satanists believe that they should be left alone so long as they don't harm anyone. Just as Wiccans (witches) believe that anything harmful they do will come back to them three times as powerful. So if they hurt something, they will be hurt three times worse. All the Satanists and Wiccans that I've known personally have been peaceful, caring individuals. So as an eyewitness, does that mean my experience is the "true" one? Or is your eyewitness experience the "true" one. And there's the problem with eyewitnesses. LOL

>So if the cops arrest these people and have the evidence of this type of activity -- I think if I was on jury duty I'd have no problem voting for conviction and maximum penalty under the law.
---Again, I agree. The key word here is "evidence".

>You seem incapable of seeing things as they are because you are so busy trying to "debunk" them.
---Not really. As I've said before, I'm interested in evidence and am willing to follow evidence even if it leads to something I don't like or agree with.

>Witness testimony counts for a lot in trials.
---Indeed it does.

>You do not believe ANYTHING anyone says they experience or observe.
---Not true. But I do follow the Carl Sagan statement that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I have a great niece who is posting pics on Facebook of her trip to Florida. I am perfectly willing to accept that she actually went to Florida. But if she claimed that she was abducted by flying saucer people and taken to another planet, I'd want some serious evidence before I accepted that.

---Remember that guy I mentioned who claimed that the queen of England is a reptilian shape-shifter and that he actually witnessed her transforming and eating a human? Are you willing to believe him because he is an eyewitness? Me, I want more evidence than his eyewitness claims. Yeah, maybe it's true. But I see no reason to accept his claims unless he can provide some evidence to back his stories. In the meantime, I do not accept that the queen is an alien, even though the man says he saw it. I play the odds. Which is more likely, the queen is a human-eating alien or the man is either lying or is delusional? Place your bets.

>Reconcile your attitude with the court system and give me your argument.
---Eyewitness testimony without supporting evidence puts many innocent people in jail. All these guys who are getting out of prison because of DNA tests were put in prison by eyewitness testimony without supporting evidence. Eyewitness testimony has more influence on juries than evidence, and that's a flaw in our system. A witness who can cry on demand during testimony will often tilt a verdict. Even when they are lying. Keep in mind that anyone can say anything. You don't like your neighbor? Accuse him of a crime, cry during the trial, and off he goes to prison. It happens.

>I can easily see why the rich, powerful, and famous would love to convince everyone that claims that they are pedophiles are "conspiracy theories".
---Indeed. But keep in mind that Trump is part of that rich, powerful, and famous gang. Have your forgotten all the eyewitnesses who claimed that he had sex with them, sometimes even raping them? I think there have been more than 30. And the other eyewitnesses who put Trump at some of Epstein's parties and who claim to have seen Trump have sex with underage prostitutes? If eyewitnesses are to be believed without any supporting evidence, then clearly you must agree that Trump belongs in jail, right? If you can't trust the anti-Trump eyewitnesses, then which eyewitnesses can you trust?

---And that's the problem. How do we sort out truth among all the lies and craziness being put out? There is no easy answer. Again, being a skeptic doesn't mean that you don't believe anything (that's a cynic), it means that you study issues and see where the evidence leads. Eyewitnesses are not only often wrong, they also often contradict each other. (The classic joke in law enforcement is that if you have 10 eyewitnesses to a crime, you will have 10 different stories about what happened. That's why lawyers get witnesses to practice before a trial. Get them to all say the same thing.) Something may be true, but if there's no evidence to support it, then it's best to withhold acceptance until evidence is found. Like I say, figuring out what's true and what isn't is a difficult task.

I stand corrected. I'd never heard of the Chicago Ripper Crew, but, yes, there is indeed at least one murder committed by people calling themselves Satanists. But it's still a very rare event. Nothing at all in numbers that compare to Christian murderers and rapists over the past 50 years. Again, not sure where these guys got their ideas about Satanism from, but I've actually read the basic beliefs of Satanists and talked to several, and nothing I've read or heard supports the idea that Satanist should or would kill people. I'll match The Chicago Ripper Crew story with a Christian murder I'm familiar with. A man in Houston back in the 1960s or so killed his grandmother and laid her out in a cross position in the kitchen. He expected that she would resurrect in 3 days. Was very surprised when she stayed dead.

So here's the thing, the Christian murderer twisted Christianity around. There's nothing in Christianity that says you should kill your granny, but this man truly believed in what he did. But that doesn't mean that all Christians believe or act the way this guy did.


>But I at least allow for possibilities. You do not.
---I do in some cases. There are things that are simply impossible. And there are things that are possible, but highly improbable. And some things that are quite likely. Like I said, I prefer to play the odds. Yes, I agree that with all the billions of galaxies and such, there is a high probability that there is intelligent life out there somewhere. 99% certainty. But why would an advanced species come to earth? And, even stranger, come to earth and not announce themselves? Anyone with the advanced technology necessary to get here could just roll over our military like it wasn't there, take over, and do whatever they wanted with Earth. If they wanted to. Why play silly games, like crop circles? Doesn't make any sense. So I give such things a low probability. Not impossible, but very unlikely. I spent quite a bit of time back in the 1970's studying UFO claims and such and found that there was nothing to them. The closer I looked at a claim, the less there was to see.

Now I would be perfectly happy for some advanced species to come along and take care of us, fix our problems, etc. But, like you, I assume that any critters who came this far would have bad intentions. So I'm happy that, as far as I can tell, none have ever come here. Like I said, not impossible, but highly unlikely. So I bet against the idea.

I don't gamble, but I do know that anyone who plays against the odds all the time will soon go broke. 8->

BTW, you never responded to my question about eyewitnesses. If 30 or so women claim Trump did bad things to them, do we require any real evidence to lock him up? Or are eyewitness statements alone enough?

>I think I said all the accusers were liberal Democrats.
---And what if they're not? Surely there must be some who aren't. And how do you find out what the politics is for all these people? BTW, one of the social media folk that Trump had up to the house the other day had been caught paying off a women to accuse a Rep of something, then he was going to expose the trick to embarrass the Dems. So there's always a chance that an accusation is part of a conservative Republican plot. Of course, Republicans never lie. 8->

---Anyway, if you automatically don't believe anything a liberal Dems say, I assume that means that you automatically believe anything a conservative Republican says? Have you seen any of the attacks by George Will, David Frum or any of the other conservative Republicans who have attacked Trump? Not liberals, not Dems. So they must be telling the truth, since there are only 2 categories, right?

Indeed, politics can be a drag. I'm a political junkie. I don't follow sports at all, I follow politics. Unfortunately, what happens in politics can have an effect on my life. Which can be very frustrating. And these days people tend to demonize anyone who disagrees with them. Which can be very depressing. Like I keep saying, the Number One question facing the US is: how can 350 million people with different beliefs and values live together, share political power, and work together to solve our problems. Calling the other side stupid or evil is not the best way to start a dialogue. But that's the norm today. 8-<

Different experiences, but over the years I've had my life threatened several times by right-wing, Evangelical Christians, but I don't blame the entire group for what a few loons did.

>Also, they (Evangelicals) are one group with a united ideology.
---Actually, they are as wildly divided as any group in the world. In some sects, anyone can be a preacher, no school or training required. In some, anyone who has a religious dream or vision can be a church leader and issue orders. Some are divided by race (all white or all black). Their ethics and morality can also vary greatly, and rarely matches mainstream US values. Some believe that's it's OK to kill those they consider "against God". Some don't allow their women to cut their hair, ever (it's in the OT). Some don't allow music in their churches (too Papist). Some don't allow their children to participate in PE in school (can't wear shorts). There are hundreds of sects, many only having 20-30 members, and they fight each other as much as they do the heathen and Papists.

>I expect the garbage men to arrive twice a week to pick up what is left at the curb.
---Gasp! You're a socialist! Why expect the government to do what a private company could be paid to do? Same for police, why not hire a private security firm? One woman's "government" is another woman's "socialism". LOL


>In short, I don't like anything the Democrats believe in, support, or try to ram down the throats of people
---While there may be individual Dems who support or propose the things you don't like, I don't see the party as a whole going that route. Just like the Reps, there are all sort of Dems - conservatives, Christians, veterans, cops, and so on. The chaos of the party trying to figure out how to win against Trump should be all the evidence you need that the Dems are incapable of the sort of unity and organization that you're afraid of. When I look at the Democratic Party today, I see more Keystone Kops than smooth-running conspiracy. In 2016, Trump won with only about 25% of all possible voters. How could the super-powerful Dems have allowed that to happen? Like I said, Keystone Kops. 8->