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Post by rmarks1 on Jun 30, 2019 20:50:37 GMT -5
Or are Hate Crime Hoaxes increasing?
Bob
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Post by faskew on Jul 3, 2019 7:39:20 GMT -5
I suspect it's a mix. Lots of hoaxes, from left and right. Some are "false flag" events - do something bad so you can blame it on the other side. But also lots of real hate, too. Many Alt-Right groups announced that Trump's presidency was a signal that they now have the support they need to take America back from minorities, Jews, etc., and there was a real spike in hate-crimes in the first few months after he took office. Lots of real stuff still happening. The fake stuff is simply stupid. Especially when the doers are so easily caught. 8-<
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Post by debutante on Jul 3, 2019 15:09:14 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
One question - why do you claim to be an Independent when you're so obviously a Democrat? It isn't as if your positions on everything are masking your beliefs.
Why not fly under your own flag?
I'm really just curious about this.
-- Debutante
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Post by faskew on Jul 4, 2019 9:29:34 GMT -5
Because I am not a Democrat. There are things in both parties that I don't like and things in both parties that I do like. So I'm an independent. Which is actually the largest political group in the nation these days. Because Texas is a Republican state, I am a registered Republican. I figure that since gerrymandering means that a Republican is guaranteed to win certain offices, I want to vote for the best Republican I can. But both parties have strayed far from what used to be their core values. (Remember when Republicans used to be for a balanced national budget?)
The two parties don't really have proper platforms, so it's not accurate at all to say that a party is for or against certain things. Members of each party might say what they are for or against, but the parties themselves no longer have core beliefs that everyone in that party can support. Most people's idea of a party's values come from attack ads by the other party. There are liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats. There are openly gay Republican politicians, not that we hear about them much. There are Democrats who are also ministers or other religious leaders.
OK, so I don't like Trump. For many reasons. But Trump is not really a Republican. He came in as an outsider to the party and hijacked it. He is tolerated by the Republican base because he promised to give them stuff, like conservative judges, so they hold their noses and keep silent when he goes off the rails. Republicans used to be the party of "law and order", but Trump is an overt criminal, con man, and adulterer. He does not share any core Republican values of religion or morality. But he has a loyal base and the Republican Party has sold its soul to the Devil to keep in power. (Side rant - allowing organizations and corporations to give unlimited "donations" to politicians must be stopped. The party in power gets more bribes, so both parties will do whatever they must to get in power, to get more money. Our system is screwed until we can fix this.)
Anyway, Trump is a loose cannon and is hurting the US. Other nations can't trust him. He contradicts his own policies as the mood suits him, he drops in and out of agreements and treaties for no particular reason, he's easily manipulated (just tell him how wonderful he is and he'll give you anything you want), he doesn't really understand much about how the world actually works, he lies even when the truth would better serve him, etc. So the Republican Party has to decide what to do about him in the next few months. He barely slid into office in 2016 and right now his approval ratings tend to be 40%, or less. The Dems already took the House back, and they have a serious shot at winning the Senate and the Presidency in 2020. So the Reps will thinking very hard about how to keep in power in 2020. And if that means dumping Trump, they'll do that. After all, he's not really a Republican anyway. 8->
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Post by debutante on Jul 4, 2019 11:11:29 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
I'll answer you later (probably tomorrow after the holiday) in a separate string. I have hijacked Bob's thread here. I should have asked that elsewhere.
-- Debutante
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Post by debutante on Jul 4, 2019 11:26:34 GMT -5
Indeed. The increase of leftists and fake hate crimes culminated in the Jussie Smollett hoax and subsequent political maneuvering by the Dems to get him off the hook.
Thankfully, there's a special prosecutor who will trace it all back to Michelle Obama's meddling. There's some suspicion that the "lynching" bill Kamala Harris and Corey Booker were behind was a catalyst for the hoax. Chicagoans are looking forward to this investigation.
I suspect once this wraps up and sentences are passed down the leftists will knock it off. Once they learn they will be penalized, bullshit will lose its charm.
--Debutante
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Post by faskew on Jul 5, 2019 8:24:13 GMT -5
Usually not much happens with "false flag" events. Even when they're caught. I haven't kept track of what penalties have been assessed, but I suspect it's pretty light. Although I could be wrong about this.
But remember, it isn't only the left doing such things. So far this month 4 fake web sites have been exposed, set up by right-wing pretending to be sites for one of the Dem presidential candidates and making wild claims or statements. And over recent years, several white right-wing women have been caught claiming attacks by black males (shades of "To Kill a Mockingbird.) Both left and right folk sometimes infiltrate demonstrations just to start trouble and get it blamed on the other side. Put on a mask and suddenly you're Antifa and whatever you do, they get blamed for it. Or put a Confederate flag on your pickup and run down some liberals to make the Alt-right look crazy. The right wing regularly uses pictures of one thing and claims that they are another. For example, taking a photo of a riot in Iraq and claiming that it's refugees in Germany rioting. Whatever. In these days of instant communication the lies will spread to millions in minutes and almost none of them are retracted. And if people like the lie, they will often refuse to accept that they were fooled. Sigh.
Follow the old X-Files motto - Trust No One - left or right. Most things require a few days to figure out what really happened, so the hot news that's only minutes old is almost always wrong, even if it's not an on-purpose fake.
Speaking of wrong, what did you think of Trump claiming that the American army captured British airfields during the American Revolution? Must have been something the leftys put in his coffee. 8->
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Post by debutante on Jul 5, 2019 10:54:21 GMT -5
I think after Trump drew an air "Q" that "mistake" probably wasn't.
Read some interesting stuff this morning...
--Debutante
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Post by faskew on Jul 6, 2019 7:16:22 GMT -5
I don't understand this. So is Trump planning an attack on the US and he's sending secret signals to his followers to attack airfields?
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Post by debutante on Jul 7, 2019 11:02:55 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
Lots of theories abound:
In the final analysis, one can only go by what was on the radar that day...
--Debutante
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Post by faskew on Jul 7, 2019 14:16:33 GMT -5
Lost me again. I guess I'm just not one of the inner circle. 8->
BTW, did you see that Jeffrey Epstein is back in the news again. He was let off with a wrist-slap a few years ago for his dealings with underage prostitutes and such. Looks like he may be facing stronger charges now. Both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump were pals of his back in the day and they both went to parties where the underage girls were. Not sure whether either indulged, but I suspect that both knew about the girl's ages. Certainly Trump has made jokes about Epstein's preferring girls over women. I wonder if something about either of those two and underage girls will come in in Epstein's new trial. Wouldn't it be bizarre to see both Clinton and Trump charged with the same crime? Who knows.
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Post by debutante on Jul 7, 2019 14:36:23 GMT -5
Hi Fred: Re: Epstein I was optimistic when I saw the first reports before I went to bed last night. Less so, at 5AM when I awoke to the news that Comey's daughter is one of the prosecution team. Having a relative of a deep state member prosecuting another deep state member -- well people think the "fix" is already in. I can't say it seems too hopeful from my perspective either-- I rather agree with that assessment. Trump? Nah. They tried that already. Didn't work. www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-12/fusion-gps-tried-and-failed-link-trump-jeffrey-epstein--Debutante |
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Post by faskew on Jul 8, 2019 7:40:57 GMT -5
>Trump? Nah. They tried that already. Didn't work.
---When asked during his trial about Trump's involvement with girls, Epstein took the 5th and refused to answer. But the prosecutor wasn't really pushing to get Epstein and gave him a great deal, so who knows what will come out with this new case.
Certainly the famous quote from Trump indicates that he at least knew about Epstein's crimes. In most states, knowing about child abuse and not reporting it is in itself a crime.
"I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."
We'll see.
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Post by debutante on Jul 8, 2019 14:53:35 GMT -5
Hi Fred: You do know that Trump was an informant for the FBI since the eighties don't you? It stands to reason that he would keep his cover as he circulated among the rich and powerful. But he, himself, was never a participant. In fact, he was the only one to voluntarily give information about Epstein when asked. www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-07/trump-was-only-one-help-prosecutor-2009-epstein-caseThis is just the beginning-- this is what "Q" followers have been waiting for. Bill Clinton will go down. Hillary too -- although truthfully, I don't understand how she lost her way. I guess because she's originally from Illinois --- I expected (no I took for granted) she would be like everyone else around here. What the hell happened to the woman? Makes you think . I wonder if the same people I got away from at fourteen got her. If so, I can see how she was led astray. I wonder if they brainwashed her young (probably college) or something, because someone I know, knew her very well in high school and said she wasn't like that then. Anyhow, I saw a copy of one of her self-implicating Wiki leaks emails this morning. My God! Anyhow, the prosecution of these pedophiles is long overdue. Time to round up the perverts in politics, Hollywood, and big business. Go Trump and the "Q" team! --Debutante |
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Post by faskew on Jul 9, 2019 8:22:17 GMT -5
Trump was called in as a witness during the old Epstein trial, but as far as I know he didn't say anything bad about Epstein. Not very useful for an undercover guy. Same for Epstein. When asked about Trump being involved with teens, Epstein took the 5th. There was a woman who claimed Trump and Epstein had sex with her at age 13, but she dropped her lawsuit because she said she was getting death threats. I don't expect much damage for Clinton from this. He and Trump are pretty much in the same situation - lots of rumors, no evidence.
Who knows. We'll have to wait and see what new stuff comes out. If anything.
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Post by debutante on Jul 9, 2019 10:01:39 GMT -5
Hi Fred:
It isn't going to happen. Give it up already. The person Trump spoke to thought he was very helpful. At least that's what every account I've read says.
Nobody buys the Dem's lies anymore. They've accused too many people of that kind of stuff. Eventually it becomes apparent to even the stupidest of people that it's just more Alinsky bullshit.
Ever notice how all of the accusers (no matter who they are accusing) just happen to be liberal Democrats? How stupid do you think people are?
Face it, the Dems have overplayed their hand. Nobody believes it anymore. These creepy bags they keep dragging out couldn't give it away if they stood on the corner of State Street!
Especially someone like Trump -- the man is billionaire. There are oodles of women who probably jumped in the sack with the dude willingly for whatever goodies being in a relationship with him provided. Hate to be blunt, but that's how it rolls if you hang around in that tax bracket.
Considering he sent all his women for HIV tests before he'd even date them -- he's not the type to go goofy. He doesn't drink or do drugs. This is a cautious man.
No. No. And no! Don't care who the bag they drag out making claims. Not this particular guy.
And most emphatically no - you don't believe a woman on her "word" alone. For example, that Christine Blasey Ford creature should be in jail for that stunt she pulled, along with every Dem who aided and abetted her.
By the way, they grabbed tons of child porn out of Epstein's house. They have evidence right there of a crime. And probably a ton more you don't know about yet.
--Debutante
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