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Post by debutante on Jun 25, 2019 12:47:11 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 18:15:59 GMT -5
Yes, we know your feelings towards rapists, given that you are the adherent of a rapist religion.
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Post by debutante on Jun 26, 2019 11:05:48 GMT -5
You know, if I really wanted to teach this stuff, I'd get a gig with CCD.
The ignorance is strong in this one.
As I previously stated, the dogma is the dogma . Whether one chooses to follow it or not comes down to free will . Those who are baptized Catholics that knowingly and willfully break the rules are in a state of sin.
The church is in the business of sanctifying souls. That means their primary concern is the redemption of someone in a state of sin.
Read the above paragraph again! It is very important.
Rape is mortal sin. This is very serious on a spiritual level. Thus if someone confesses during the sacrament of Penance the priest CAN NOT report this to the civil authorities. This is because the sacramental nature of Penance carries with it a seal of non-diclosure.
In Penance you are confessing your sins directly to God. The priest acts as "God's representative" (so to speak) .
Since God does not betray his people it follows that the party who stands in his place must also adhere to this concept.
I assume you're thinking of "pedophile priests". Let me clue you. A pedophile priest is in the worst posible state of mortal sin. It would take me a good ten minutes to even think of all the cross-references that actually covers. Suffice it to say, if he were to die before absolution -- he's toast.
Now here's where it gets complicated. Priests tend to go to confession daily. He has to be in a state of grace to carry out his sacramental duties. Since that is pretty much the case, there would not be much of a window of opportunity for another priest to discover his violation against spiritual and moral law purely by accident.
I'd guess most, if not all, knowledge of these matters are discovered via the sacrament of Penance. Since the priest administering the sacrament can not report anything heard in the confessional to civil authorities his hands are effectively tied.
That does not mean the offender receives no punishment at all. Remember, this is a violation of spiritual law. The church has the ability to punish offenders in ever increasing sanctions up to and including excommunication.
This might seem like nothing to a non-Catholics, but it is the proverbial sword of Damocles hanging over every Catholic' s head from the time he learns the rules. It is a very, very, serious thing -- contains not only prohibitions to expel someone from the community but at the same time reminds the offender what awaits him at final judgment.
This may seem like a "so what" to a non-Catholic . But we know exactly what that entails.
One other point -- since the church is in the business of "sanctifying souls" this is an area which falls outside of civil law due to religious freedom. They are under no obligation to satisfy the curiosity of the general public by announcing what particular sanctions they have placed on an offender (priest or non-priest alike).
This may not be to the liking of the general public, but within the context of the entire system -- it makes perfect sense.
So no -- the official Catholic dogma does not sanction rape. Appearances can be deceiving -- the offenders are severely punished, albeit not in a manner a non-Catholic would understand.
I admit that I don't find it to my liking -- but I understand why things are the way they are.
"Spiritual work of Mercy" -- obligation met.
Note: I really don't want to teach catechism.
Knock it off.
--Debutante
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 11:33:46 GMT -5
Of course it's not rape when a woman says "no", she was probably a sloot who'd incited male hormones, and probably wanted it in the first place.
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Post by debutante on Jun 26, 2019 12:20:26 GMT -5
This one I will answer -- the total 411. Not for you -- but maybe someone else might need a "clue".
When my daughter began dating, I gave her the following suggestions:
1. If you act like a tramp, people will treat you like one.
2. There are some men who will treat all women badly -- no matter how they present themselves. Given enough time, (and it usually doesn't take long with this type) -- they will reveal themselves. Do yourself a favor: you can't "save" them, you can't "change" them, they aren't "different" for you than they are to any other woman. Best to stay away from this type of man altogether.
3. Do not drink alcohol on dates. It clouds your judgment. It goes without saying that "sloppy drunk" is an open invitation to those who have no sense of boundaries.
4. Don't generally "bait the hook" and then be surprised that you attract a school of fish you didn't want along with the one you were fishing for -- best to save the revealing outfits for the fish you already caught in places he won't have to defend you if someone else also gets the "message" that you only intended for one person.
5. Would you lend this man $25,000 without signing an IOU? If you don't know him well enough to trust him with your hard earned money (because it's so valuable) why on earth would you trust him with your life? Be picky when choosing who to date. That means you don't go out with someone you met for two seconds in a supermarket line who hit you up for your phone number. Assuming you were stupid enough to give it to him in the first place.
6 Do not go to a man's apartment, or business office (to pick something up after hours on your 'date') or any other secluded spot for "privacy". If this guy is a rapist, and you actually went out with him -- you probably didn't set enough "getting to know you time" in a public space.
7. Have money on you at all times to pay a cab if need be. Some guys try to strand you if you don't "put out".
8. Be street smart. Don't go jogging alone in secluded areas in the dead of night. Don't be cheap -- buy a gym membership with a track. Your life is worth it.
9. Do not accept "a ride home" from that seemingly nice guy you just met this afternoon, or go anywhere with him where there aren't at least twenty people around.
10. Carry a body alarm. Use it if you need to -- even with a date who won't take no for an answer. If that doesn't work -- go for his eyes, kick his crotch -- all the unladylike things you wouldn't normally even think of.
11. You do not "owe" sex because someone bought you dinner, took you to a movie et. al. By that same token, be a lady and don't date someone just to empty his wallet. If you're not interested in him as a man -- do not lead him on.
12. European men are different than Americans. Sex is more casual to them -- so don't expect them to act or think like an American man. If you can't deal with a lothario emotionally -- I wouldn't advise a relationship with a European. They can get nasty when they realize American women are not like European women.
Does that answer your question? I think women have to use common sense. A lot of problems would be avoided. There will always be someone somewhere who did everything "right" and still got attacked....but I doubt most girls even THINK to have a set of rules much less follow them.
And if you ask my daughter -- she will tell you these rules came in handy. Then she made additional ones of her own.
--Debutante
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