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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 9:51:42 GMT -5
"Fascism", also known as, "leftist college students". As we can see these leftist HitlerStalins have already taken away freedom from Texas.
When did I ever claim that leftist college students are the only threat to democracy?
At least the rich bastards in charge of Texas haven't taken away freedom of speech...yet.
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And by "rich bastards", you of course mean "leftists".
The corectly-wealthy would not abuse their wealth for the sake of incorrect beliefs after all.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 18, 2019 12:08:33 GMT -5
When did I ever claim that leftist college students are the only threat to democracy? At least the rich bastards in charge of Texas haven't taken away freedom of speech...yet. And by "rich bastards", you of course mean "leftists". Nope. I never said that. Clearly the Texas government is right-wing. Those who make their money through pull with the government are not correctly wealthy. Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 13:50:42 GMT -5
And by "rich bastards", you of course mean "leftists". Nope. I never said that. Clearly the Texas government is right-wing. And right-wingers are collectivists, just like leftists, which makes them all basically the same. Hitler, Obama, and Stalin all follow the exact same ideology. Exactly. If they are not correct-believers, then they must have faked their wealth by aligning with statism at some point. Only correct-believers are proper entrepreneurs, which is the same thing as being a morally enlightened genius.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 13:52:57 GMT -5
In conclusion, all suicidal Untermenschen i.e. leftists will correctly starve to death once Galt Rises and Atlas Shrugs, as has been factually observed by the correct-believer Ayn Rand (PBUH)
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Post by rmarks1 on May 18, 2019 18:13:49 GMT -5
Nope. I never said that. Clearly the Texas government is right-wing. And right-wingers are collectivists, just like leftists, which makes them all basically the same. Hitler, Obama, and Stalin all follow the exact same ideology. Well that's true. No. Not "believers." Correct actions are the point here. Again, this has nothing to do with "belief." It's actions that count. And you don't have to be a genius to be productive.
And this has nothing to do with the German medical bureaucracy failing to take action for over a decade against a serial killer.
Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 13:11:32 GMT -5
And right-wingers are collectivists, just like leftists, which makes them all basically the same. Hitler, Obama, and Stalin all follow the exact same ideology. Well that's true. Finally, you admit it. Do you know how hard it is to get you Randian fuckheads to admit to your real beliefs and positions? Again, this has nothing to do with "belief." It's actions that count. And you don't have to be a genius to be productive. And this has nothing to do with the German medical bureaucracy failing to take action for over a decade against a serial killer.
It has everything to do with it, since Germany is a Nazi country run by leftist socialist Nazis who murder innocents with serial killer doctors. If Americans do not stop Obamacare/Hitlercare, then America will, too, become a country for leftist-Democrat StalinHitlers who murder old people with death panels and serial killer doctors. Obamacare is literally the Holocaust, which is what all leftists want.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 19, 2019 13:36:34 GMT -5
Finally, you admit it. Do you know how hard it is to get you Randian fuckheads to admit to your real beliefs and positions? I have always said the same thing. You made up the part about me "finally" admitting it. Wrong. I never said anything of the sort. Of course you didn't post any supporting quotes. That's because there are none. Once again, you made it all up. It would be nice if you argued against what I actually said, but I suppose you don't have any good argument there. Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 13:37:43 GMT -5
Finally, you admit it. Do you know how hard it is to get you Randian fuckheads to admit to your real beliefs and positions? I have always said the same thing. You made up the part about me "finally" admitting it. Sure you did.
Wrong. I never said anything of the sort. Of course you didn't post any supporting quotes. That's because there are none. Once again, you made it all up. I have never claimed that these were your words. If you look closely, it was me who wrote them. Is there anything about the claims I made that you disagree with?
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Post by rmarks1 on May 19, 2019 13:52:23 GMT -5
I have always said the same thing. You made up the part about me "finally" admitting it. Sure you did. Really? Where? all you have to do is cut and paste the actual text. Is that a problem? Yes. Exactly. You tried to pass off these Strawmen as mine. But they are not. Well, you said this: "In conclusion, all suicidal Untermenschen i.e. leftists will correctly starve to death once Galt Rises and Atlas Shrugs, as has been factually observed by the correct-believer Ayn Rand (PBUH)" I disagree with it because it is incoherent. Galt and Atlas don't really exist you know. And you said this: "It has everything to do with it, since Germany is a Nazi country run by leftist socialist Nazis who murder innocents with serial killer doctors. If Americans do not stop Obamacare/Hitlercare, then America will, too, become a country for leftist-Democrat StalinHitlers who murder old people with death panels and serial killer doctors. Obamacare is literally the Holocaust, which is what all leftists want." I never said Germany is a Nazi country or that it is run by "leftist socialist Nazis who murder innocents with serial killer doctors". You made that up. Nor did I say that Obamacare is literally the Holocaust." You made that up too. And I didn't call Obamacare "Hitlercare." In fact, you made it all up. Apparently you have run out of good arguments against what I actually said. Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 22:27:45 GMT -5
So your only point of disagreement with what I wrote is my mention of Galt and Atlas?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 22:31:42 GMT -5
Really? Where? all you have to do is cut and paste the actual text. Is that a problem? Yes. Exactly. You tried to pass off these Strawmen as mine. No, I tried to pass them off as mine, by openly stating that " it was me who wrote them." As evidenced by this exact sentence in the post you are quoting.It's pretty sad when you get confused over who wrote what even when you include a direct quote stating exactly these facts! So your only point of disagreement is my mention of Galt and Atlas? As you know, I never claimed that you said any of these things, and in fact stated the exact opposite.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 19, 2019 23:09:46 GMT -5
Really? Where? all you have to do is cut and paste the actual text. Is that a problem? Yes. Exactly. You tried to pass off these Strawmen as mine. No, I tried to pass them off as mine, by openly stating that " it was me who wrote them." As evidenced by this exact sentence in the post you are quoting.It's pretty sad when you get confused over who wrote what even when you include a direct quote stating exactly these facts! Come on McAnswer. Of course you wrote them...as a deliberate misrepresentation of my views. If you are not claiming that I never said any of these things, then why did you say them? Perhaps you were also debating someone else and got the posts confused. Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 12:14:24 GMT -5
No, I tried to pass them off as mine, by openly stating that " it was me who wrote them." As evidenced by this exact sentence in the post you are quoting.It's pretty sad when you get confused over who wrote what even when you include a direct quote stating exactly these facts! Come on McAnswer. Of course you wrote them...as a deliberate misrepresentation of my views. I never said I was representing your views. You made that up. Because they are correct, of course. Don't you think so? And there is your usual ad hominem.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 20, 2019 14:03:31 GMT -5
Come on McAnswer. Of course you wrote them...as a deliberate misrepresentation of my views. I never said I was representing your views. You made that up. LOL! I never said you were representing my views either. I said you were <IS-representing my views. lease read more carefully. Not the way they are worded. The fact is that the views you claimed I made I in fact never made. You changed them and put Strawmen distortions in their place. And that's a fact, not an Ad Hominem. Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 12:32:30 GMT -5
Not the way they are worded. Would you care to correct me on where I used incorrect terminology? I demonstrably didn't claim that you said these things. And I say "demonstrably" here because I already demonstrated that. I didn't change anything about the original words I wrote, and as you know I acknowledged that it was me who wrote them, not you. There is no ad hominem on my part.
There are only your unsupported assertions in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 21, 2019 13:10:38 GMT -5
Not the way they are worded. Would you care to correct me on where I used incorrect terminology? I demonstrably didn't claim that you said these things. And I say "demonstrably" here because I already demonstrated that. I didn't change anything about the original words I wrote, and as you know I acknowledged that it was me who wrote them, not you. There is no ad hominem on my part.
There are only your unsupported assertions in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
This is what you actually wrote:
"It has everything to do with it, since Germany is a Nazi country run by leftist socialist Nazis who murder innocents with serial killer doctors. If Americans do not stop Obamacare/Hitlercare, then America will, too, become a country for leftist-Democrat StalinHitlers who murder old people with death panels and serial killer doctors.
Obamacare is literally the Holocaust, which is what all leftists want."
Now why did you write it?
Since you admit that these aren't my words, what is your point here?
If they are not my words, then you are not arguing against what I said at all. So who are you arguing with?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 12:04:52 GMT -5
I wrote it because it is correct.
Now, can you point out which words were used incorrectly?
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Post by rmarks1 on May 22, 2019 14:30:55 GMT -5
I wrote it because it is correct.
Now, can you point out which words were used incorrectly?
It's not your words. It's your statements.
Since you admit that I never made those statements, why did you make them to begin with? After all, you're having this discussion with me, not a fictional Strawman.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 14:39:40 GMT -5
I wrote it because it is correct. Now, can you point out which words were used incorrectly?
It's not your words. It's your statements. You said that there was a problem with the wording of my statements: Because they are correct, of course. Don't you think so? Not the way they are worded. So, what kind of wording should I employ to render my statements correct? Because I wanted to speak the truth, after all those years of being an postmodernist truth destroyer, a socialist incorrect-believer, and a suicidal animal. Are my claims not true? If not, then please help me re-word them to be true claims.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 22, 2019 14:46:44 GMT -5
It's not your words. It's your statements. You said that there was a problem with the wording of my statements: Not the way they are worded. So, what kind of wording should I employ to render my statements correct? For one thing, stop sticking in Strawmen. No one here ever said that Germany is still a Nazi country. Do you really believe that Germany is presently a Nazi country? Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 5:51:24 GMT -5
So, what kind of wording should I employ to render my statements correct? For one thing, stop sticking in Strawmen. No one here ever said that Germany is still a Nazi country. I did. And we know this because the German government is murdering people with serial killer doctors, like back in the day when Mengele murdered all those Jews. Obviously they are not yet engaging in a full Holocaust, but Hitler needed time to ramp up the killings as well. And we have established that ideologically and economically, there is no real difference between the current German government and Nazi Germany.
Just like Nazi Germany, modern Germany has public healthcare which it uses to murder people.
Just like Nazi Germany, modern Germany runs on a regulatory market model, where there exists nominal private property, but correct-believing entrepreneurs are being repressed by arbitrary rules and regulations.
And modern Germany suppresses freedom of speech just like Nazi Germany did.
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Post by faskew on May 23, 2019 7:59:43 GMT -5
Seems like quite a stretch to equate the two. Nazi Germany outlawed property ownership based on ethic background or political beliefs, used the police and military to round up entire communities and lock them away, and so on. Whatever the current government has done, it's nowhere near as bad as even the early days of Nazi rule. A single individual killing patients for years is not the same as the entire medical system killing patients. Like I said in another post, we've had similar acts here in the US, mostly done by individual doctors and nurses who felt that they were being kind by finishing off patients who were going to die anyway, but still had many weeks or months of misery to endure before the end. Here we kill most people by denying them proper medical access, due to lack of money or insurance. Killing them one-at-a-time in hospitals is an inefficient way to clear out the undesirables when simply forcing them to live in the streets without proper food or shelter can take out so many more. And there's no direct link to the government as the killer. 8->
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 12:17:50 GMT -5
I'm sure we can all agree that governments are intrinsically evil, and that we gotta get rid of them.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 23, 2019 14:02:14 GMT -5
I'm sure we can all agree that governments are intrinsically evil,... Yes. I agree. Not practical. The best we can do is limit them as much as possible. Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 23:53:52 GMT -5
I'm sure we can all agree that governments are intrinsically evil,... Yes. I agree. Not practical. The best we can do is limit them as much as possible. Bob By getting rid of them, yes.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 24, 2019 13:25:06 GMT -5
Yes. I agree. Not practical. The best we can do is limit them as much as possible. Bob By getting rid of them, yes.
And you propose to do that...how exactly?
Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 5:54:59 GMT -5
By getting rid of them, yes. And you propose to do that...how exactly? Bob
How do you propose to limit government such that it never oversteps its bounds at any point?
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Post by rmarks1 on May 25, 2019 10:53:01 GMT -5
And you propose to do that...how exactly? Bob
How do you propose to limit government such that it never oversteps its bounds at any point?
Nice trick. You are trying to avoid my question by asking another question. Apparently you don't have any answer as to how we can get rid of government. So why didn't you just say so instead of using a Red Herring Fallacy?
Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 11:12:00 GMT -5
Getting rid of a government isn't hard. We've seen it happen many times throughout history. Any reasonably-sized, dedicated mass movement can do it. The tricky part is ensuring that it doesn't come back.
Now let's hear your own method.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 25, 2019 11:35:31 GMT -5
Getting rid of a government isn't hard. We've seen it happen many times throughout history. Any reasonably-sized, dedicated mass movement can do it. Yes. And what were the results? Not really. The tricky part is the chaos that enabled the government to come back. Limit the government to the few basic functions that the Free Market cannot supply: Police, Armed forces, courts, and yes, prisons. There is a tendency for all government bureaucracies to slowly increase their power over time. The only real defense against this happening is a concerned citizenry. That and a mandated trimming of governent agencies ever few years. Bob
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