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Post by rmarks1 on Apr 26, 2019 20:56:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 2:13:55 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Estonia
Estonia is a great example of a successful Nordic style mixed economy, where a well regulated free market is paired with a significant interventionist government and a well-run welfare state. 
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 2:16:12 GMT -5
Thanks for reminding us that Social Democracy still is the best economic system so far.  |
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Post by rmarks1 on Apr 27, 2019 13:35:39 GMT -5
Good! You're finally doing research ans citing sources. Unfortunately, you stopped right after you found a source that seemed to agree with you. That's why you missed this: "Private expenditure comprises approximately a quarter of all health expenditure, mostly in the form of co-payments for pharmaceuticals and dental care. This growing out-of-pocket (OOP) expenditure may hinder access to health care for low-income population groups. As a consequence, health financing has become more regressive over recent years.The core purchaser of health care services for insured people is the Estonian Health Insurance Fund (EHIF). The health insurance system is mandatory, covering about 95% of the population. Contributions are related to employment, but the share of non-contributing individuals (such as children and pensioners) represents almost half of the insured. In the longer term this is a threat to the financial sustainability of the health system, as the narrow revenue base is mostly related to wages and the population is ageing. This is complicated by a potential downturn in economic activity. Over recent years, steps have been taken to increase population coverage as well as the revenue base, but the impact of these steps is still marginal." haiglateliit.ee/en/healthcare-in-estonia/And then there is this: "Although Estonia is already part of the European Union, its healthcare system is still not at par with that of North American or Western standards."www.expatfinder.com/estonia/expat-guides/article/healthcare-in-estonia/1909Estonia's economy has made great advances because of the Free Market. Their government medical services seem to be lagging. Maybe they should try the Free Market here too. Bob |
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Post by rmarks1 on Apr 27, 2019 13:44:49 GMT -5
That's not what the President of Estonia said in the interview. That is classic Libertarian Free Market policy. Bob |
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Post by rmarks1 on Apr 27, 2019 13:52:58 GMT -5
Thanks for reminding us that Social Democracy still is the best economic system so far.
Non Sequitur.
The interview I posted only dealt with Estonia's Free Market economic policy and its great success.
The links you gave to Estonia's healthcare policies only gave their legal framework. It didn't give the results of their healthcare policies.
The sources I posted 2 posts up showed that Estonia's government healthcare policies aren't all they are cracked up to be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 14:40:22 GMT -5
Estonia's economy has made great advances because of the Free Market. I agree, Estonia's economy has made great advances because it follows the Nordic model, which combines free markets with a robust social welfare network, strong labor rights, and a well-running bureaucracy that keeps arbitrary interventionism to a minimum. In addition, it has made the right decision to promote free public education, new technologies, and green energy.
Maybe the United States should try this, instead of leaving essential services to crony capitalists, while constantly coming up with new tax cuts to prop up old failing industries that destroy the planet and make its people sick.
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Post by rmarks1 on Apr 27, 2019 16:19:47 GMT -5
Estonia's economy has made great advances because of the Free Market. I agree, Estonia's economy has made great advances because it follows the Nordic model, which combines free markets with a robust social welfare network, strong labor rights, and a well-running bureaucracy that keeps arbitrary interventionism to a minimum. In addition, it has made the right decision to promote free public education, new technologies, and green energy. What you have yet to demonstrate is that Estonia's amazing economic progress is due to anything other than their concentration on the Free market. After all, plenty of other countries also have similar government programs. Yet they do not have Estonia's record of economic progress. I actually agree with you here. Propping up failing industries is definitely not a job for the government. As far as Crony Capitalist go, a Crony Capitalist is someone who gets business as a result of government connections, not by honest competition in the Free Market. It's just another form of government intervention. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalismBob |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 3:43:15 GMT -5
I agree, Estonia's economy has made great advances because it follows the Nordic model, which combines free markets with a robust social welfare network, strong labor rights, and a well-running bureaucracy that keeps arbitrary interventionism to a minimum. In addition, it has made the right decision to promote free public education, new technologies, and green energy. What you have yet to demonstrate is that Estonia's amazing economic progress is due to anything other than their concentration on the Free market. After all, plenty of other countries also have similar government programs. Yet they do not have Estonia's record of economic progress. Other countries have free markets, too. In fact, the majority of the Western world does. |
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Post by rmarks1 on Apr 28, 2019 12:17:58 GMT -5
What you have yet to demonstrate is that Estonia's amazing economic progress is due to anything other than their concentration on the Free market. After all, plenty of other countries also have similar government programs. Yet they do not have Estonia's record of economic progress. Other countries have free markets, too. In fact, the majority of the Western world does.
Are their economies really as free as Estonia's?
If that's your claim, please provide supporting evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 11:47:25 GMT -5
Other countries have free markets, too. In fact, the majority of the Western world does. Are their economies really as free as Estonia's? If that's your claim, please provide supporting evidence. Bob
As you can see, most countries in the European union are ranked within a similar range, and for 2019, Denmark, Norway and Sweden (who also use the Nordic economic system of pairing free markets with strong public welfare systems) are actually ranked higher than Estonia. |
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Post by rmarks1 on Apr 30, 2019 14:59:25 GMT -5
Are their economies really as free as Estonia's? If that's your claim, please provide supporting evidence. Bob
As you can see, most countries in the European union are ranked within a similar range, and for 2019, Denmark, Norway and Sweden (who also use the Nordic economic system of pairing free markets with strong public welfare systems) are actually ranked higher than Estonia.
Thank you for that evidence.
The link you provided measures the whole economy. The article at the top of this thread emphasizes the results for Estonia's High Tech Industry. That's where they seem to have concentrated most of their efforts. And that also seems to be where they got most of their results.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 1:38:12 GMT -5
And therefore I am wrong in claiming that Estonia is a social democracy along the Nordic model?
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Post by rmarks1 on May 1, 2019 14:06:15 GMT -5
And therefore I am wrong in claiming that Estonia is a social democracy along the Nordic model?
That's an incredible non sequitur argument.
Where did I ever say you were wrong about that? I didn't. So your point here is a Strawman Fallacy.
What I did say is the part of the Estonian economy that prospered the most was the part that they left to the Free Market. And that's what the President of Estonia said too. Please re-read the article.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 21:57:39 GMT -5
What I did say is the part of the Estonian economy that prospered the most was the part that they left to the Free Market. And that's what the President of Estonia said too. Please re-read the article. Bob
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Post by rmarks1 on May 1, 2019 23:51:53 GMT -5
What I did say is the part of the Estonian economy that prospered the most was the part that they left to the Free Market. And that's what the President of Estonia said too. Please re-read the article. Bob
Of course. Market rewards the faithful. Social Democracy does not exist. Thus spake Ayn Rand, Amen.
Strawman. I never said that. Neither did she.
Do you have a problem with quoting what people actually said?
Free markets reward the countries that have them.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 1:33:38 GMT -5
As I said, Market rewards the faithful. Those unfaithful to Market are always punished, in the end, for Market is just.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 2, 2019 12:53:33 GMT -5
As I said, Market rewards the faithful. Those unfaithful to Market are always punished, in the end, for Market is just.
Wrong. "Faith" is not rational.
"firm belief in something for which there is no proof"
And here:
"belief that is not based on proof: "
The claim that the Free Market produces prosperity is based on evidence, not "faith.
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