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Post by rmarks1 on Apr 15, 2019 12:42:35 GMT -5
The American Dream just came true for Mr. Socialist. Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 9:06:00 GMT -5
Ad hominem.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 11, 2019 14:28:03 GMT -5
No. It's only an Ad Hominem if the author claims that Bernie's claims about wealth are wrong because Bernie Sanders is being hypocritical.
But the author isn't doing that. He is merely pointing out that Bernie Sanders is being hypocritical.
Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 15:51:23 GMT -5
So you don't believe Sanders is wrong.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 11, 2019 19:04:13 GMT -5
So you don't believe Sanders is wrong.
I didn't say that. I was talking about
Sanders is wrong because he became a millionaire by writing a book that became a best seller. He didn't "exploit" anybody. People voluntarily bought his book. If he wants to redistribute wealth, why doesn't he start by voluntarily donating his book income to helping the poor?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 10:37:45 GMT -5
So, ad hominem.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 11:03:38 GMT -5
But it's interesting to see yourself slowly work up into a position where you can elect Donald Trump in 2020 with a clear conscience.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 12, 2019 14:32:49 GMT -5
Nope. This would be a Circumstantial Ad Hominem:
Someone tells a friend that they shouldn't be eating meat because that is cruelty to animals. The friend replies that he saw the objector eating meat as well.
The fact that objecting friend also eats meat does not refute the claim that eating meat is cruelty to animals.
Bernie Sanders' case is different.
Bernie has used the classic Marxist argument that the Free Market is unfair. The rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer. But that's not what happened to him. Bernie's success as a writer shows that poor people can and do become rich.
Bernie didn't set out to become a millionaire so there is no question of hypocrisy here as in the first example with the meat eaters. Therefore this is not a case of Circumstantial Ad Hominem.
Bob
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Post by rmarks1 on May 12, 2019 14:38:06 GMT -5
But it's interesting to see yourself slowly work up into a position where you can elect Donald Trump in 2020 with a clear conscience.
LOL! I voted Libertarian in the last election and I'll vote Libertarian in the next election as well.
But it's interesting to see you try to make the poster the issue instead of dealing with what they posted. You should know by now that I don't fall for that Red Herring.
Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 23:47:40 GMT -5
But it's interesting to see yourself slowly work up into a position where you can elect Donald Trump in 2020 with a clear conscience. LOL! I voted Libertarian in the last election and I'll vote Libertarian in the next election as well.
Didn't you claim at one point that you were going to vote for Clinton last in the presidential elections?
Or did you abandon that after the stars told you that Trump wasn't going to win anyway?
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Post by rmarks1 on May 13, 2019 11:22:04 GMT -5
LOL! I voted Libertarian in the last election and I'll vote Libertarian in the next election as well.
Didn't you claim at one point that you were going to vote for Clinton last in the presidential elections?
Or did you abandon that after the stars told you that Trump wasn't going to win anyway?
No I didn't say I was voting for Clinton. Whatever made you think that?
And once again, you are trying to make the poster the issue instead of dealing with the matter being discussed.
Did you run out of valid arguments this soon?
Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 14:00:05 GMT -5
And once again, you are trying to make the poster the issue instead of dealing with the matter being discussed. You are right, let's get back to your repeated commitment of the ad hominem fallacy.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 13, 2019 15:44:07 GMT -5
And once again, you are trying to make the poster the issue instead of dealing with the matter being discussed. You are right, let's get back to your repeated commitment of the ad hominem fallacy.
As usual, you are making a claim without listing any supporting evidence. And your comment here is another Ad Hominem!
Do you have any more points to make about the topic of this thread, Bernie Sanders becoming a millionaire? Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 13:26:45 GMT -5
And your comment here is another Ad Hominem! As usual, you are making a claim without listing any supporting evidence.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 19, 2019 14:06:22 GMT -5
And your comment here is another Ad Hominem! As usual, you are making a claim without listing any supporting evidence.
The evidence is right there in your previous post!
You said: "You are right, let's get back to your repeated commitment of the ad hominem fallacy."
I replied: "As usual, you are making a claim without listing any supporting evidence." Which you clearly did.
Did you think that no one would scroll up a few inches to see this?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 22:36:54 GMT -5
As usual, you are making a claim without listing any supporting evidence. The evidence is right there in your previous post! Yes, the evidence is there that you make unsupported claims without backing them up with evidence.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 19, 2019 22:51:01 GMT -5
The evidence is right there in your previous post! Yes, the evidence is there that you make unsupported claims without backing them up with evidence. I did give evidence. You eliminated it by not giving a complete quote. Here it is again: Did you think that no one would scroll up a few inches to see this? Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 12:26:38 GMT -5
Yes, the evidence is there that you make unsupported claims without backing them up with evidence. I did give evidence. You eliminated it by not giving a complete quote. Here it is again: Did you think that no one would scroll up a few inches to see this? Bob Really? Where is the evidence?
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Post by rmarks1 on May 20, 2019 14:17:37 GMT -5
I did give evidence. You eliminated it by not giving a complete quote. Here it is again: Did you think that no one would scroll up a few inches to see this? Bob Really? Where is the evidence?
The evidence is in what you didn't do. As usual you gave no evidence for your claims. All you have to do to refute me here is to show actual facts you posted to support your claims.
But you can't do that because you never gave any evidence at all. Your "arguments" consist entirely of unsupported claims. How can I refute "evidence" that you never gave?
Once again, all you have to do to prove me wrong is to cite actual evidence. Can you?
Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 12:25:21 GMT -5
I've posted plenty of evidence in this thread. Perhaps you want to give some evidence for your argument before you make another baseless accusation?
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Post by rmarks1 on May 21, 2019 12:58:11 GMT -5
I've posted plenty of evidence in this thread. Perhaps you want to give some evidence for your argument before you make another baseless accusation?
No you haven't. All you've done is post unsupported claims.
That includes your comment: "I've posted plenty of evidence in this thread."
Very convenient. No one can disprove evidence that you haven't posted. But they can easily scroll through your above posts to see that you've provided no evidence at all.
But then you are a postmodernist so you don't really believe in evidence or even Truth, do you?
Bob
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Post by rmarks1 on May 21, 2019 13:06:12 GMT -5
I've posted plenty of evidence in this thread. Perhaps you want to give some evidence for your argument before you make another baseless accusation?
LOL! That's just another claim with no evidence to support it.
Notice you didn't bother to cut and paste any corroborating text. Perhaps that is because there is none?
If you want anyone to believe that I made a "baseless accusation", all you have to do is cut and paste the actual text where you gave "evidence." Why don't you?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 12:07:06 GMT -5
I've posted plenty of evidence in this thread. Perhaps you want to give some evidence for your argument before you make another baseless accusation? No you haven't. All you've done is post unsupported claims. That includes your comment: "I've posted plenty of evidence in this thread." Very convenient. No one can disprove evidence that you haven't posted. But they can easily scroll through your above posts to see that you've provided no evidence at all. But then you are a postmodernist so you don't really believe in evidence or even Truth, do you? Bob Ad hominem. I never said "I don't really believe in evidence or even Truth". That is a lie. Please only post direct quotes in the future, thank you.[/quote] Take another look at what I wrote. I asked a question. I didn't make a statement. Questions are neither true nor false. Therefore I didn't tell a lie. I also notice that in your response, you didn't deny that you don't really believe in evidence and Truth. Bob
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 14:42:31 GMT -5
Please don't edit my posts and falsify my statements. Thank you.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 22, 2019 14:57:27 GMT -5
Please don't edit my posts and falsify my statements. Thank you.
Oh my goodness! Please tell me which of your posts I edited and which of your statements I falisfied and I will rectify that that immediately!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 5:35:37 GMT -5
Please don't edit my posts and falsify my statements. Thank you.
Oh my goodness! Please tell me which of your posts I edited and which of your statements I falisfied and I will rectify that that immediately!
Bob
One can see that you edited it by the label Last Edit:x hours ago by rmarks in the bottom right corner.
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Post by rmarks1 on May 23, 2019 10:06:09 GMT -5
Oh my goodness! Please tell me which of your posts I edited and which of your statements I falisfied and I will rectify that that immediately!
Bob
One can see that you edited it by the label Last Edit:x hours ago by rmarks in the bottom right corner.
I edited my response, not your text.
You can easily verify that by looking at your previous post, the one I was responding to. There is no edit label on that one. And the text is identical to the text in my post that I was responding to.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 12:08:37 GMT -5
One can see that you edited it by the label Last Edit:x hours ago by rmarks in the bottom right corner.
I edited my response, not your text.
You can easily verify that by looking at your previous post, the one I was responding to. There is no edit label on that one. And the text is identical to the text in my post that I was responding to.
Bob
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Post by rmarks1 on May 23, 2019 13:58:27 GMT -5
You posted the wrong one. You posted the one where I responded. You didn't post your original post which I did not edit.
As I said, I only edited my response. I did not edit your text.
To prove your point, you would have to show your original post and it would have to have an attached note that I edited it.
But that edit does not exist because I only edited my response. I never edited your post.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 23:56:13 GMT -5
The post above is a screenshot of my post (as indicated by my name on the upper left area), which was edited by you, as indicated in the lower right corner.
You'd have to be either extremely dense or hold me for a total idiot to believe I wouldn't notice.
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