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Post by rmarks1 on Oct 4, 2013 14:39:37 GMT -5
I don't normally post much on Astrology, but this is exceptional. There will be an eclipse of the Sun on November 3. According to Astrology, the horoscope set for the nation's capital shows the effect of the eclipse on the country. The eclipse lands in the section of the chart known as house number 12. This is the area of "self-undoing", self-destructive behavior. The eclipse itself is close to the planet Saturn. In Astrology, Saturn is difficulties, obstacles, delays. It looks like the self-destructive behavior of the government is going to get worse.
The top of the chart has to do with authority. In this case, that's the President. Mars, planet of action, is there. That shows the president taking action. But Mars is opposite Neptune, planet of confusion, illusion, and delusion, so the actions will be ill advised and have unintended consequences.
In addition, the Ascendant, the sign rising on the eastern horizon, is right on the midpoint of Uranus and Pluto, a combination that can produce sudden chaos. The outlook for November is not good.
But this is only the beginning. Next year, Pluto transits opposite the Sun of the USA. Pluto is a slow mover, so the effects have been building up for over a year now. Pluto opposite the Sun in a national chart polarizes the nation. It's already done that. This effect will get stronger. Pluto opposes the USA Sun around Feb.15, 2014. This could also indicate hostile actions by external enemies. Pluto moves less than one degree past the opposition to the USA Sun and then sits there for a few months (a retrograde station). This is still well within the orb of influence.
By April, it is joined by Uranus (sudden, unexpected events) and Jupiter. In Astrology, Jupiter makes things larger. This will magnify the effects of Uranus and Pluto. Mars also gets into this configuration. Mars is the energizer. It gets things going. If you connect the dots, these four planets (Mars, Jupiter, Uranus, and Pluto) will be making a cross. In Astrology, a cross configuration is stressful.
Mars will be retrograde, and this could cause a delay in the manifestation of events. But not for long. Mars goes direct in May and it will hit the cross again in the middle of June.
It's going to be an interesting time.
Bob Marks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 20:17:59 GMT -5
How can we be sure that Astrologers don't subconsciously (or even purposely) interpret what the stars are saying are happening or will happen in light of current events? |
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Post by rmarks1 on Oct 4, 2013 22:06:49 GMT -5
How can we be sure that Astrologers don't subconsciously (or even purposely) interpret what the stars are saying are happening or will happen in light of current events? Because I'm not referring to current events. I'm talking about events that are going to happen. If national events get better from this point on, then what I said above will have been proven false. Ditto if the situation says the same or gets only slightly worse. Let's wait and see. Bob Marks |
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Post by debutante on Oct 4, 2013 22:23:39 GMT -5
This effect will get stronger. Pluto opposes the USA Sun around Feb.15, 2014. This could also indicate hostile actions by external enemies. Dear Bob, To me, the above aspect would be the most concern inducing. It's one thing to argue amongst ourselves, quite another to have interference from the outside. I wonder if those survivalist people (on another forum) read charts. They're so convinced people need to stockpile. Thanks for giving us this astrological analysis. --Debutante |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 23:36:12 GMT -5
I deleted my posts because I was tricked into a political discussion.
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Post by Blarney Rubble on Oct 5, 2013 3:01:39 GMT -5
Astrology? You actually believe in astrology??
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Post by debutante on Oct 5, 2013 5:21:19 GMT -5
Astrology? You actually believe in astrology?? Dear Mr. Rubble: Are you asking me, or Bob? Both? --Debutante |
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Post by juliet on Oct 5, 2013 11:38:59 GMT -5
I think Bob is having a game with us.
Astrology is hokum. No matter what happens, a way can be found to 'demonstrate' that the stars and planets determined events.
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Post by rmarks1 on Oct 5, 2013 13:44:12 GMT -5
Astrology? You actually believe in astrology?? I've been a professional astrologer since 1971. Bob Marks |
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Post by rmarks1 on Oct 5, 2013 13:46:16 GMT -5
I think Bob is having a game with us. Astrology is hokum. No matter what happens, a way can be found to 'demonstrate' that the stars and planets determined events. Then how do you explain the Gauquelin research results? www.planetos.info/mmf.htmlBob Marks |
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Post by joan on Oct 5, 2013 16:44:29 GMT -5
I used to get my chart done by a very competent woman. I believe she still has clients, but I can't believe I could afford it.
Based on my planets, houses, etc. everything she said either was already true, on it's way to becoming true, is true.
i.e. Jupiter, as Bob says, is expansion. It is what it is & is never different. My life turned out basically what Alethea (her name) said it would, based only upon the placement of my chart. My life wasn't fixed, there was great mobility. But certain things are out of our control. That's what she saw, that's what she said, that's what happened.
Not a question of belief, just another tool to use.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 19:53:17 GMT -5
Back about 20 years ago when I was between jobs and considering what I might want to do next, I contacted a well-known psychic in my state. Her name is Dayle Schear. She suggested that I get into something to do with travel. Being that at that point I hadn't left my state for around 30 years, I brushed that off as highly unlikely and something I really wouldn't want to do. Well, two years later, due to circumstances too convoluted to go into here, I started to travel to Europe and did so for some years. So, should that make me believe in psychics? What do you think?
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Post by joan on Oct 6, 2013 9:25:28 GMT -5
Back about 20 years ago when I was between jobs and considering what I might want to do next, I contacted a well-known psychic in my state. Her name is Dayle Schear. She suggested that I get into something to do with travel. Being that at that point I hadn't left my state for around 30 years, I brushed that off as highly unlikely and something I really wouldn't want to do. Well, two years later, due to circumstances too convoluted to go into here, I started to travel to Europe and did so for some years. So, should that make me believe in psychics? What do you think? No, that incident isn't enough to make you "believe" in psychics. Also, you say she "suggested". It is often good to listen to suggestions & sometimes good to follow suggestions. You can believe in that. |
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Post by rmarks1 on Oct 6, 2013 9:55:21 GMT -5
Back about 20 years ago when I was between jobs and considering what I might want to do next, I contacted a well-known psychic in my state. Her name is Dayle Schear. She suggested that I get into something to do with travel. Being that at that point I hadn't left my state for around 30 years, I brushed that off as highly unlikely and something I really wouldn't want to do. Well, two years later, due to circumstances too convoluted to go into here, I started to travel to Europe and did so for some years. So, should that make me believe in psychics? What do you think? No, that incident isn't enough to make you "believe" in psychics. Also, you say she "suggested". It is often good to listen to suggestions & sometimes good to follow suggestions. You can believe in that. Right Joan. One case proves nothing. It might be a coincidence. You need a steady stream of hits, and even then that would only be an indication that further research is required. Bob |
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Post by raybar on Oct 8, 2013 8:56:02 GMT -5
You need a steady stream of hits, and even then that would only be an indication that further research is required. So where is that "steady stream of hits" from astrology? You have over 2000 years to pick from. Anyone predict the Pearl Harbor attack? 9/11? Hiroshima? Polio vaccine? |
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Post by rmarks1 on Oct 10, 2013 21:10:38 GMT -5
You need a steady stream of hits, and even then that would only be an indication that further research is required. So where is that "steady stream of hits" from astrology? You have over 2000 years to pick from. Anyone predict the Pearl Harbor attack? 9/11? Hiroshima? Polio vaccine? No, not 2000 years. To verify astrology, you need statistical analysis and several thousand timed birth charts. These have only been available for the last150 years. Gauquelin's work did indicate that there is an "astrological effect." Oh yes Ray. Something else is needed to conduct a study. Grant money. Studies of that size don't come cheap. Bob |
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Post by joan on Oct 11, 2013 9:32:43 GMT -5
Oh yes Ray. Something else is needed to conduct a study. Grant money. Studies of that size don't come cheap.
BobHow about Kickstarter? 
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Post by rmarks1 on Oct 11, 2013 10:28:04 GMT -5
Oh yes Ray. Something else is needed to conduct a study. Grant money. Studies of that size don't come cheap.
BobHow about Kickstarter? Isn't Kickstarter for profit-making companies? This will be a scientific study. Non-Profit. Bob |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 13:58:53 GMT -5
Oh yes Ray. Something else is needed to conduct a study. Grant money. Studies of that size don't come cheap.
BobHow about Kickstarter? Isn't Kickstarter for profit-making companies? This will be a scientific study. Non-Profit. Bob You should try contacting one of the scientists who did these studies. 10 Truly Bizarre Scientific Studies listverse.com/2009/06/02/10-truly-bizarre-scientific-studies/ |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 17:39:53 GMT -5
By the way, Bob. Where have you researched and who have you contacted to try to have a study financed?
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Post by rmarks1 on Oct 11, 2013 17:56:19 GMT -5
By the way, Bob. Where have you researched and who have you contacted to try to have a study financed? When it comes to financing a study, where do you even begin? I'm sure none of the traditional sources for financing scientific studies would be interested in astrology. Bob |
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Post by raybar on Oct 11, 2013 18:13:22 GMT -5
One might think that astrologers themselves would be interested in participating in a study that could verify and validate their beliefs. Didn't I suggest a way to do a fairly low cost double blind study a year or two ago? Of course, such a study could also invalidate the whole thing, which might be bad for business.
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Post by rmarks1 on Oct 12, 2013 17:58:09 GMT -5
One might think that astrologers themselves would be interested in participating in a study that could verify and validate their beliefs. Didn't I suggest a way to do a fairly low cost double blind study a year or two ago? Of course, such a study could also invalidate the whole thing, which might be bad for business. Astrologers have participated in past studies. Bob |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 19:08:01 GMT -5
One might think that astrologers themselves would be interested in participating in a study that could verify and validate their beliefs. Didn't I suggest a way to do a fairly low cost double blind study a year or two ago? Of course, such a study could also invalidate the whole thing, which might be bad for business. Astrologers have participated in past studies. Bob So what were they? And what were the results? Did you participate, Bob? You can't just leave us hanging like that. |
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Post by rmarks1 on Oct 14, 2013 8:14:07 GMT -5
Astrologers have participated in past studies. Bob So what were they? And what were the results? Did you participate, Bob? You can't just leave us hanging like that. "Astro-Psychiatry" by Psychiatrist Harry Darling and Astrologer Ruth Oliver, published in 1968. That's the first one I know of. Here are a bunch more. www.astrologer.com/tests/basisofastrology.htm#scievidenceBack in 1997, I obtained timed birth data for 300 suicides. I looked for what their charts had in common and then I went to the New York Area Skeptics Society. They said that I should have split the data into two groups. That way I could have used the first group for tentative results and then tested these against the second group. Unfortunately, I used the entire sample. Now I would need another sample to confirm the results. The initial data was gathered by astrologers who managed to get into the office of birth and death records in New York City. Unfortunately, since then the Rockefeller Law was passed to protect privacy. It seems that when former governor Rockefeller died, some reporter got the autopsy report. The family protested and the law was passed. So I blew it. Bob |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 15:11:27 GMT -5
How is astrology any different from other paranormal phenomena that you criticize? And before you say it, how is astrology not paranormal?
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Post by rmarks1 on Oct 14, 2013 17:04:50 GMT -5
How is astrology any different from other paranormal phenomena that you criticize? And before you say it, how is astrology not paranormal? But astrology is paranormal. Paranormal refers to any phenomena that has no known scientific explanation. Bob |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 19:49:31 GMT -5
How is astrology any different from other paranormal phenomena that you criticize? And before you say it, how is astrology not paranormal? But astrology is paranormal. Paranormal refers to any phenomena that has no known scientific explanation. Bob I know that, Bob. That's why I asked how is astrology different from any other paranormal phenomena that you disparage? |
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Post by rmarks1 on Oct 14, 2013 20:15:59 GMT -5
But astrology is paranormal. Paranormal refers to any phenomena that has no known scientific explanation. Bob I know that, Bob. That's why I asked how is astrology different from any other paranormal phenomena that you disparage? Because Astrology can be tested by objective statistical means. And it has been. Take a look at the tests that have been done already. Bob |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 20:30:52 GMT -5
I know that, Bob. That's why I asked how is astrology different from any other paranormal phenomena that you disparage? Because Astrology can be tested by objective statistical means. And it has been. Take a look at the tests that have been done already. Bob |
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