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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 11:42:37 GMT -5
I put this topic in the Conversational Forum because I don't mean for this topic to be politically partisan.
On another forum a 69-year-old guy said that he doesn't really care about politics anymore because at his age there's really nothing that any administration could do to really affect his life. And it's now just up to young people.
I said I disagree, that at close to 70 I still have a life to live and still need to be involved. However, I'm starting to change my mind because it all doesn't seem worth it to me anymore. And now that I have more interesting TV channels to watch, my cable news viewing has shrunken and all that stuff just gets me upset and for the most part it seems better for me not to care.
So, what do you all think about that?
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Post by raybar on Jun 27, 2018 12:24:20 GMT -5
I'm 71, and I hope to live another 25 years or so before my health fails. Dad was a fews week short of 99 when he died, so I have a chance, genetically speaking. Government can do quite a bit in 20 or 25 years, so I remain interested, always vote, and even write the occasional letter to Congress.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 21:59:25 GMT -5
Well, today's news is more explanation as to why I just can't care anymore. I do feel aliened from much sections of American people. That's just the way it is. But in a way that 69-year-old guy was right in that it's the young people that's going to be effected way more than us older people, especially young women. A lot of it really has to do with the separation of religion from government. Policy shouldn't be dictated that way. For young women it should be by conscience; otherwise no difference from the Taliban. And just look at Saudi Arabia where women are only now being given the right to drive. It's all about religion where governments are dictated by some kind of religion or other.
Of course, I vote even though I know that at least 50% of U.S. citizens who could vote, don't. So what can I do about that? How is that my problem to solve and then I get upset because I can't? Well, then I say, too bad live with it! You made your bed and now lay in it! I do feel I can do more about local politics, so that helps. But overall, I'm no longer going to raise my blood pressure
Raybar, I hope you do get to live another 20-25 years, but most of us at the age around 70 aren't' going to. And, quite frankly, I'm glad that I'm not going to.
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Post by raybar on Jun 27, 2018 22:16:16 GMT -5
Thank you, Lily. I hope so too.
But both Molly and I are ready to kill ourselves if poor health makes that a reasonable choice, regardless of the law on euthanasia. And we already know a lot of dead people, as do most folks our age, so we won't be too lonely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 22:22:44 GMT -5
Thank you, Lily. I hope so too. But both Molly and I are ready to kill ourselves if poor health makes that a reasonable choice, regardless of the law on euthanasia. And we already know a lot of dead people, as do most folks our age, so we won't be too lonely. I think I posted here about Hawaii having passed a "death with dignity" law recently to go into effect in 2019. It has very many safeguards. California never passed such a law? Or maybe you mean outside of the law which requires a terminal illness where death is expected in at least six months? Yes, I guess that's what you mean, suicide outside the law. I can understand that. That would be my choice, too. |
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Post by raybar on Jun 27, 2018 22:50:30 GMT -5
I would have to check on the law in California. Legal challenges? Tied up in court? Can't keep up. We met Derek Humphry, author of "Final Exit: The Practicalities of Self-Deliverance and Assisted Suicide for the Dying," at party some years ago. Euthanasia World Directory - www.finalexit.org |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 23:01:38 GMT -5
I remember having the book just out of curiosity a long, long time ago, but at this point I can't remember anything about it. However, I don't think that Kate Spade or Anthony Bourdain needed it. I would not like to take drugs to do it. Too easy to get to be comatose forever instead.
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Post by raybar on Jun 28, 2018 0:52:18 GMT -5
I would not like to take drugs to do it. Too easy to get to be comatose forever instead. That's one reason the laws are often for "physical assisted" suicide. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 1:12:43 GMT -5
I would not like to take drugs to do it. Too easy to get to be comatose forever instead. That's one reason the laws are often for "physical assisted" suicide. I guess I think i know what you mean, except that the physician only supplies the drugs; doesn't supervise the administration of them. And the patient has to be conscious to administrate them to himself; not anyone else. Of course, I'm just thinking of an interesting point now--who is required to be there to be sure it's totally voluntary at the moment. But after so many requirements, the person himself does have to have many hurdles to overcome to prove that's it's what he wants. |
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Post by raybar on Jun 28, 2018 2:06:37 GMT -5
I've seen video of assisted suicide by drugs, both by injection and orally. In both cases it was required that the patient administered the drug himself. In both cases there were consultations and legal papers to sign in advance as well as verbal consent just prior to taking the drugs. I suppose the laws would vary in different places.
For injection, the doctor set up the equipment and put the needle into the patient's vein. When he was ready, the patient himself turned a knob or handle to start the flow of the drugs. He had to do so without any assistance.
For oral drugs, it was a nurse or medic instead of a doctor. He came to the patient's location and brought the drugs with him. The drugs were in liquid form - two small glasses to drink. The first was to prepare the stomach (or whatever he said), the second to kill the patient. The patient had to take each glass from the medic and drink it without any assistance.
Anyone planning to do this needs to remember the "take the drugs yourself without any assistance" part. If you're planning to do something, do it while you still can.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 2:29:48 GMT -5
Raybar, I have no actual knowledge about the specifics that you posted about how it goes detailed-wise with the death with dignity law in Hawaii although the following that you posted in the following sounds about right to me:
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Post by faskew on Jun 28, 2018 8:34:28 GMT -5
Politicians can screw up your life, regardless of how old you are. Yes, the young have more to lose than us oldies, but keep in mind that most Americans are only a couple of paychecks away from living under a bridge somewhere. So this old guy is presumably living off a pension and social security. What happens if his pension goes away (due to mistakes by the company) or social security dries up? Or medicines are allowed to keep increasing in cost until each does costs several thousand dollars? Or whatever? Even if he only lives another year or two, he probably would prefer to have food, shelter and medical treatment during that time. There are hundreds of ways that bad politicians can screw with him, even at his age.
Voting may not make much difference due to gerrymandering and other ploys, but it beats doing nothing.
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