Nothing to worry about, eh?

Joan:

When Obama won -- things settled down within a day or so. I didn't like the guy, but I said nothing for eight long miserable years. You didn't think it was snarky when Obama said "Elections have consequences" and that "You can come along for the ride, but have to sit at the back of the bus." Or did you forget that? Or was that okay with you because Obama said it?

Since Trump was elected, there have been riots and constant pissing and moaning by liberals 24/7. Since when has it been LEGAL to talk about assassinations, or attempts to incite the military to revolt against the president. (As if they would?) And yet you see this crap in the mainstream media every single day.

I happen to like the French. And it's anyone's guess what that guy had planned at the Louvre. Now I happen to know that it is not unheard of for Moslems to destroy art. They've done it before. The Louvre is home to some of the most precious art in the world. So he could not only have been after people, but after the art treasures too.

My degree is in Fine Arts. Such things might seem unimportant to you -- but they are extremely important to me because they are the benchmark of civilization. Consequently, that kind of thing pisses me off big time. And don't tell me they don't do that kind of thing.

www.jihadwatch.org/2015/02/islamic-state-jihadis-destroy-3000-year-old-artworks-in-mosul-museum

I am completely FED UP with people making excuses for the bad behavior of a backward culture.

--Debutante

Joan:

You keep saying, "You won", but if that's the case, then why are the Moslems from those seven disputed areas still being let into the country despite Trump's having signed an executive order banning them from entering? It is the exact same order signed once upon a time by Obama, yet nobody ran to a judge, nobody rioted, and nobody demonstrated.

I told you before the election I was a one issue voter. I wanted to keep the Moslems out of the United States. And I wanted a wall to keep the Moslems from crossing over from Mexico. Everyone sneaks across that border -- including recently, an already once deported Mafia kingpin!

I have no issue with the Mexicans. They are a peaceful people. If they are here illegally, they will get deported. But they can apply to come here legally and because they are not lunatics, they will get in. So although they may be a bit inconvenienced, eventually things will work out.

I know you said you don't like Breitbart. It's really not as bad as you think. Most of the articles aren't even about politics. The ones that are -- aren't even as rousingly Republican as those written by William F. Buckley back in the late 1960's. However, they do write articles that the mainstream media won't cover because they want everyone to believe that Islam is a religion of peace. So when "bad things" happen, they stick it under a rug and pretend it isn't there. Breitbart doesn't.

I want you to read this particular article. I think it's important because then you'll understand why I feel the way I do. This ran last week in Breitbart. It's got a lot of who/what/where/when/why so the facts could be easily traced for truth if need be. But this is the kind of thing that's happening in Europe, and the American press is covering up. This is why Brexit happened.

www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/03/shouts-allahu-akbar-court-muslim-sex-gang-sentenced-child-rape/

I've been fighting with Rev about this a lot lately. I want him to come home to the United States before he gets killed over there. He says he's not going to run away. Personally, I think it's better to be alive in the States, than dead in Europe -- but he's always preferred the lifestyle there. We're a little too inhibited for him I think -- he's a bit...well, there's a wild streak in the man. Nevertheless, I worry about him constantly because of those people.

It's bad enough I have to worry about him over there. Now the liberals want to bring the Moslems over here en masse, so we can have the same problems. Do you honestly believe I want to have to worry about my daughter every time she steps out of the house? There are Moslem rape gangs running wild all over Europe. I sure as all hell don't want them here.

By the way, did you read that the guy that was shot at the Louvre museum had cans of spray paint in his back back? I guess in addition to killing some people with his machete, he must have had some plans for the art too.

So yes, I am frustrated and disgusted in general. Every morning when I read the news I get more worked up.
My husband told me to just stop reading any news because I'm not sleeping anymore.

Truthfully Joan -- about the popular vote -- you forget I'm from Chicago. Fixed elections are an art form out here going back as far as the 1960's. It's the worst kept Chicago secret that Nixon actually "won" over here, but Kennedy got it though ballot box stuffing. I knew that by the time I was eight years old. It's a big joke out here that the biggest voter block is the cemetery vote. I don't live in the city proper anymore, but I doubt it's changed. It's kind of a family run thing. Hard to describe -- but generations of a family will work for the party in the precincts during elections -- and their kids, and their kids, and on, and on.

But don't believe there isn't voter fraud -- there is -- the question is how much. My guess is however much anybody thinks they can get away with -- believe me -- I used to hear the precinct captains conniving at the tavern when I was a little girl. In those days, there was one on every block and they weren't that strict on whether or not kids went in taverns or not. There was this bowling game you could play for a nickel that the kids used to sneak in to play. Great game -- you slid a metal puck across a board with pegs in the positions of the pins and registered points like an arcade game. Anyhow, the kids in the neighborhood would be messing with the machine and the captains would be sitting at the bar hitting it up and talking. Of course, nobody thinks kids understand (or care) what adults are talking about. And in the majority of cases that's true. But I was more or less a sponge. And I'd go home and repeat the stuff I heard (and then get yelled at for going into the bar!) But I did learn early that politics aren't exactly honest. LOL!

--Debutante

Hi Fred--

Sorry it's taken so long to get back to you. I've been working on my doll dress project -- I finally found that black lace so I've spent the afternoon sewing on and off...

I'm really not a political person generally speaking. So although I kind of knew there was a dust up about Obama's birth certificate I never really understood what that was all about. It seemed to me he was equally at fault for being "MYSTERIOUS" about it.

My birth certificate has --- my name, my parent's names, the hospital name, the location, the time of birth, the doctor's name, the length, my weight and a cute little footprint. None of this is exactly earth shattering information. Unless Obama is an alien from outer space who has tentacles instead of the customary ten little piggies going to market -- I can't imagine why he didn't just release the silly thing the first time someone mentioned it and have done with the whole thing. By sealing the thing with an executive order and creeping around like he had something to hide --- well, it did end up looking suspicious and what did he think was going to happen?

When he finally does release one -- upon examination, some people think it's a fake.

In Chicago, all complaining over Obama being elected was over in a day or two. Most people already knew who he hung around with and either you liked that crew or you didn't. If you didn't, you already had been criticizing them for years anyway -- so after a day or two of invectives -- you were pretty much done. Later on, if he did something you thought was stupid, then you might say something, but otherwise Chicagoans tend to ignore National politics.

--Debutante

Lily:

Oh, I was so glad I waited to find black lace -- now that I see it -- it just wouldn't have worked with white. It will be awhile. Because it is a Christmas fabric, I want to attempt to accent it with handmade poinsettia ribbon flowers. I've never made them before -- so that's going to take me awhile. I found a tutorial -- but I won't approach that until, perhaps late tomorrow? It looks easy -- but I found out earlier in the week that often stuff that looks easy isn't.

I made a pair of doll UGG boots earlier this week. It looked easy on the tutorial. It was -- until I got to the part where you glued the foam "sole" to the felt "boot". It took me hours. The stupid glue wouldn't adhere (and it was specially formulated foam glue). I finally switched to Elmer's and it finally stuck. But overall, I worked twelve hours until I finally got the UGGS completed (or at least the shell with the foam "soles"). I am waiting for some black polar fleece I ordered to be delivered, so I can put on the "fur" and ribbons to complete the UGGS and then I'll snap a photo and show them to you.

Anyhow...to get back to the dress -- I'll wait until I get the whole thing done -- dress, bonnet, shoes, and reticule. It's similar in design to the other dress with an overskirt. After I finish this one, then further dresses will be varied. I had already planned to make this particular dress long ago so I had to follow through. The next project will probably be the fabric I already showed you using the Marie Antoinette Carpatina pattern -- Alison likes it and thinks it will be a nice choice for that fabric.

Anyhow about Obama -- I don't have any idea why they cared about his birth certificate. It's funny though -- I know he's supposed to be the "first black president" (or half black) but I never thought he looked especially black.

He was raised in Indonesia and weirdly, he actually has the bone structure more common to people of that region. I'd take him for being Malaysian, or Indonesian, or Taiwanese -- if he didn't come out and say he was black. His features have that thin delicacy common to that area of the world.

But genetics are funny -- he could resemble some offshoot relative on either side of his family.

--Debutante

You know what's interesting Deb?

As far as I know, this is the very first time on this board that you've stopped beating around the bush, hiding behind phrases like "those people" or talking about criminal elements or whatnot. This is the very first time that you've come out and said that you want to keep out Muslims; that you dislike people who share one specific religion, regardless of who they are or what they think.

Thank you for your honesty.

NICE TRY—BUT NO CIGAR!!!

You could only try that on someone who doesn’t really understand Islam.

As it is, I was engaged to a history major once upon a time – and Rev was a flaming genius. Our dates usually consisted of him lecturing me on various periods – so I happen to know that there’s a built in political component to Islam. Thus, it can’t be classified strictly as a religion.

Don’t accuse me of hating Moslems. I merely want to keep them out of the United States. Hating them would be taking a page from the book of the voivode of Walachia and impaling their heads on pikes. Vlad had a flair for the dramatic and those were bloodthirsty times. That however, is an example of hate – just for your edification. I merely wish to keep them on their side of the Atlantic.

Nevertheless – don’t presume to try to argue an inarguable case with someone who has the historical facts of the matter at her fingertips. Islam is not, and has never been a religion of peace. Do you really want me to dig up the facts? For trust me, I can. And it will be a very, very, long and bloodly rendition.

Let’s stop playing games you and I -- you’re being deliberately obtuse and you know it. Or didn’t you bother reading the article from Breitbart I posted?

So let’s get down to brass tacks, shall we? I personally don’t give a shit if someone worships Clarabell the clown. Read that sentence again to let it sink in. I don’t care who your God is – doesn’t mean shit to a tree (as the Jefferson Airplane would say).

BUT….and this is a HUGE BUT… just because the prophet married a nine year old (ha! As if a nine year old could consent!) Moslems think that gives them carte blanche to practice pedophilia. And their preferred targets are “infidels”.

IN YOUR WORLD – ISN’T PEDOPHILIA A CRIME? Well, it is in mine. So I objecting to letting the political component of Sharia law which condones pedophilia into the United States.

Tough tootsies. If you don’t like it…I don’t care. Personally, a little girl’s right to her virture is more important to me than your fee-fees.

Immigrant Moslems have been forming rape gangs and running wild in Europe. This is a documented fact.

IN YOUR WORLD – ISN’T RAPE A CRIME? Well, it is in mine. So I am objecting to letting the political component of Sharia law which favors the rapists into the United States. Personally I find it objectionable that woman has to have four male witnesses swear that she was raped before she will be believed. That’s assuming they don’t decide to kill her for being raped. Oh, and if she’s an infidel, it doesn’t even count that she was raped, because to a Moslem, she’s little more than “cattle”.

Tought tootsies. If you don’t like it…I don’t care. Personally, a women’s right to walk the streets in safety is more important to me than your fee-fees.

Do you still want to talk about Islam? Seriously?

Don’t even go there if you’re smart.

Many religions have done crazy things in the past. They grew up and evolved over time. Islam never changed. Islamic migrants have created complete chaos in Europe.

There is a reason Brexit happened. My hope is that Merkel will get ass thrown out and the EU will fold. It is complete insanity that European governments have allowed children to be exploited and women to be raped for the sake of political correctness. I do not want this happening here.

Get this straight:

We the people (and this means the flyover states) elected Donald J. Trump to keep law and order and ensure domestic tranquility within our BORDERS.

Nobody has a RIGHT to enter the United States. It is a PRIVILIGE. We trust that our President will ensure that only those who have the best intentions to become the best citizens will be alllowed the privilege of entering our country.

It is becoming patently obvious to me that they no longer teach civics in schools.

--Debutante

Debutante - -
Speaking as an Admin here, and with regard to your post above that begins with " NICE TRY—BUT NO CIGAR!!!, " I am asking you to tone it down a bit. You can express any opinion you like, but you don't have to be nasty about it.

It may have been "Moslem" in all your old books, but it has been "Muslim" nearly everywhere for some time now, including in the articles you offered above, and probably in every newspaper or magazine article you've seen in recent years. The article Joan linked was first published in 2002, fifteen years ago, by which time the transition from an old transliteration to a newer and more accurate one was well established.

You don't have to think about or use modern spelling or usages, and you may be "getting a little to old to keep up with all the changes," but aren't you're too young to be set so rigid that you can't make changes when you become aware of them?

And, a MusliM is a person. MusliN is a fabric.

Raybar:

Forgive my ignorance regarding fabric.

I'm out of here. I can deal with atheism. But all of you claimed to have "moral standards" despite no formal religion. And I always thought you were nice people.


Yet -- you will support a religion that has a political component that encourages pedophilia, the oppression and torture of women, and mass rape.

Sorry -- but I draw the line at pedophilia.

Read up on "thighing" Raybar-- they even go after infants. Maybe you really don't know. Maybe you do and you don't care.

Don't matter. I'm done.

Goodbye.

--Debutante

Deb, why don't you stay on the Conversations Page? I find you an invaluable asset. Remember I told you of my best friend, who thinks more along your lines than mine & how we remain friends despite it? Why is that? We have LIFE in common, that's why. LIFE in all it's differences. L'chaim, to life, to the Conversations Page.

Where did you get the idea that *I*, in particular, support the Muslim religion? I support them w/the same zeal I support the Mormons, Scientology, etc. I'm not too crazy about other religions either. I just am fascinated by the historical aspect. I do support the Constitution, which bars no one due to religion, or due to no religion. I know, in my neighborhood, many many Muslims. They ARE assimilating, not all, but most only want to be American. Muslims born into their religion have no choice about what was written, only how they will live their own lives. I have met excellent people in all occupations--medical, retail, ETC.

The Mormons have, IMO, an INSANE background, yet they are accepted into American life. You think Eden is in Missouri? Or marrying many wives, often girls, is okay? No. Why do the Mormons get a pass?

Damn, that cat & dog are smart!!!!!!!!

Ive been corrected. The age of consent in all US states now is at least 16. Don't know when that happened, but it has changed since I was a kid.

Right, and atheists are evil mass murderers. 

Have we covered it all now?

Correct. Could the feature be a fanatic devotion to an ideology, religious or not? The ideology would have to blame someone else or some other group for all the evil in the world.



Bob