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Post by rmarks1 on Jun 6, 2014 8:32:53 GMT -5
In America before 1929, there was a large middle class, a stable consumer market, and a political environment relatively free of dangerous extremism and violent political conflict. That doesn't seem to be born out by what I've read on that period of history, Bob. First of all, the income gap between rich and poor people was larger in the 1920s than it was in the 1950s-1970s. Which does not mean that there was not a large middle class and a stable consumer market. These were isolated cases in smaller states. And that violence was not political violence. It was industrial strife. My Uncle Meyer was an organizer for the United Mine Workers back in the early 1930's. He was shot at. "They say in Harlan County There are no neutrals there You'll either be a union man Or a thug for J.H. Blair." Bob |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 5:10:51 GMT -5
That doesn't seem to be born out by what I've read on that period of history, Bob. First of all, the income gap between rich and poor people was larger in the 1920s than it was in the 1950s-1970s. Which does not mean that there was not a large middle class and a stable consumer market. It does mean that the middle class was smaller, by definition. So "industrial strife" is not political violence because...? |
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Post by rmarks1 on Jun 8, 2014 9:37:51 GMT -5
Which does not mean that there was not a large middle class and a stable consumer market. It does mean that the middle class was smaller, by definition. No it doesn't. In fact, an income gap has no effect whatsoever on the size of the various income groups. Do the math. 1) Top income group income: average income $1 million: size of group 100,000 people Middle class: average income $50,000: size of group 2 million people. 2) Top income group: average income $2 million: size of group 2 million people Middle class: average income $30,000: size of group 100,000 people. Obviously, there is no necessary connection between income gap and the size of the various income groups. For the same reason a bar fight is not political violence. There are no political parties involved. Bob |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 15:51:54 GMT -5
It does mean that the middle class was smaller, by definition. No it doesn't. In fact, an income gap has no effect whatsoever on the size of the various income groups. Do the math. 1) Top income group income: average income $1 million: size of group 100,000 people Middle class: average income $50,000: size of group 2 million people. 2) Top income group: average income $2 million: size of group 100,000 people Middle class: average income $30,000: size of group 100,000 people. Obviously, there is no necessary connection between income gap and the size of the various income groups. |
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Post by rmarks1 on Jun 8, 2014 17:41:13 GMT -5
No it doesn't. In fact, an income gap has no effect whatsoever on the size of the various income groups. Do the math. 1) Top income group income: average income $1 million: size of group 100,000 people Middle class: average income $50,000: size of group 2 million people. 2) Top income group: average income $2 million: size of group 100,000 people Middle class: average income $30,000: size of group 100,000 people. Obviously, there is no necessary connection between income gap and the size of the various income groups. Oops! That's what I get for rushing. I meant for the size of the middle class in the second case to also be 2 million. I already made a correction in the original post. It should be obvious now that there is no necessary connection between the relative incomes of both groups with their size. But they were part of the Nazi Party and under the party's direct control. By contrast, neither the unions nor the mining companies were under the control of any political party. Bob |
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Post by rmarks1 on Jun 9, 2014 10:14:38 GMT -5
Also, how about some evidence of those millions upon millions of people who managed to raise themselves out of poverty via soup kitchens and private charity drives? LOL! Are you kidding? Millions of poor people came to the USA between 1890 and 1914, including my family. Let's see. There was my grandfather, who was dying of cancer, my grandmother, who ran an illegal restaurant in the apartment in order to make ends meet, six children, including my father, and a border. They had to take in the border in order to pay the rent. They lived in a three room apartment. When my grandfather died, a woman came over from a private charity and offered to put some of the children in foster care. My grandmother told her where to go. Uncle Phil became a lawyer, Uncle Ben went into the fur business and had his own company, Aunt Tess became a school principal. Within 25 years, most of those poor immigrants got educations, moved out, and moved up. Most of this was accomplished without any sort of aid at all, government or private. Bob |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 5:45:55 GMT -5
Also, how about some evidence of those millions upon millions of people who managed to raise themselves out of poverty via soup kitchens and private charity drives? LOL! Are you kidding? Millions of poor people came to the USA between 1890 and 1914, including my family. Let's see. There was my grandfather, who was dying of cancer, my grandmother, who ran an illegal restaurant in the apartment in order to make ends meet, six children, including my father, and a border. They had to take in the border in order to pay the rent. They lived in a three room apartment. When my grandfather died, a woman came over from a private charity and offered to put some of the children in foster care. My grandmother told her where to go. Uncle Phil became a lawyer, Uncle Ben went into the fur business and had his own company, Aunt Tess became a school principal. Within 25 years, most of those poor immigrants got educations, moved out, and moved up. And they only went to private schools that were 100% financed by private contributions? How did they find the money to pay for that education? Really? You told me that your parents lived on welfare. Is that not government aid? |
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Post by rmarks1 on Jun 11, 2014 15:23:25 GMT -5
LOL! Are you kidding? Millions of poor people came to the USA between 1890 and 1914, including my family. Let's see. There was my grandfather, who was dying of cancer, my grandmother, who ran an illegal restaurant in the apartment in order to make ends meet, six children, including my father, and a border. They had to take in the border in order to pay the rent. They lived in a three room apartment. When my grandfather died, a woman came over from a private charity and offered to put some of the children in foster care. My grandmother told her where to go. Uncle Phil became a lawyer, Uncle Ben went into the fur business and had his own company, Aunt Tess became a school principal. Within 25 years, most of those poor immigrants got educations, moved out, and moved up. And they only went to private schools that were 100% financed by private contributions? How did they find the money to pay for that education? They went to public schools. But Aunt Tess and Uncle Phil worked their way through college. I never told you my parents lived on welfare because they never were on welfare. Ever. Bob |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 13:10:47 GMT -5
And they only went to private schools that were 100% financed by private contributions? How did they find the money to pay for that education? They went to public schools. But Aunt Tess and Uncle Phil worked their way through college. So they received government aid. Did they go to private colleges, or were those also funded by the government? I'm sorry, I must have misremembered then. |
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